Well yeah, driving people to quit to save money on severance from the impending layoffs is the whole point of forcing them to return to the office
You don’t like the anal probe? Just leave!!
(*without any additional pay or severance)
My guess is that by going fully onsite, they can probably avoid layoffs entirely. The majority of tech roles are hybrid or remote so the departures are going to be often and steady which will naturally select out anyone not interesting in making their life Amazon. They want employees that live and breath Amazon and this is how they get that (or just keep desperate people).
The hilarious thing is that the first ones to go will be the high performers. They’re executing a dumb as shit layoff that will set them far behind competitors.
Nah they’ll just see it as a success because the ones getting overpaid have left
So in this instance would quiet quitting lead to the desired result? Just doing the most subpar work until they’re forced to fire you with a severance…
Yes. Malicious compliance.
Oh, permission to leave the plantation, thank you boss sir.
Same old slave owner personalities.
Thanks a lot. Now, whenever I see a quote from one of these types of leadership people, I’m going to hear the quote in a southern slave owner voice like Leonardo Dicaprio in Django.
Would continue to work from home until they fire me.
Would continue to sit in office applying for other jobs until they fire me.
Any manager high up enough to be talking on a news channel doesn’t have the degree of interaction with workers to know what they think.
Source: every job I’ve ever had
As if they care what the plebes think.
As an Amazon employee…the man blatantly lied about the figures for those happy to RTO. He probably got them by seeing that ~10% of corporate staff are in the remote advocacy channel, and assumed that everyone else was…happy?
Regardless, Amazon is known as a place that values data above anything else. If you are a fresh grad PM and you’re caught fudging or misrepresenting numbers to suit a narrative, guess what happens to you. You are more than likely PIP’d or fired
I’d say that Matt Garman should be fired for lying about the data, but given that Jassy has a habit of lying about figures also, the rot is at the top.
I think people working at amazon and shopping at amazon, both without clear necessity, are part of the problem.
As someone that has worked for/with several small companies, including those involved in wellness and promoting mental health, that’s a load of shit. Lots of employers are ruthless and evil, including many of the ones people here work for. Amazon is no different, they’re just much larger.
You have exactly the attitude of someone able to work for a monster like amazon. Unnecessary aggressive and condescending.
Thanks for making my point.
1 out of every 169 people work for Amazon. Your stance is that they’re all evil.
How privileged you must be to have loads of employment options at your fingertips.
My stance is that most people have poor reading comprehension. Thanks for making my point.
I said „without necessity“. Having no other comparable options qualifies as necessity in my book.
Activism is great but the moment people shun others for not ruining themselves for the cause they become radicals.
So no, thats not my stance.
And no, I havent been born privileged in the typical western way. But I have the privilege of being pretty smart which enabled me to escape the prison of an uneducated, violent household.
And yes, I hold people accountable for not giving a shit about others. Deal with it.
People have low reading comprehension because they didn’t assume that “necessity” meant some specific thing in your head? If you want to be understood, maybe share more context.
Regardless, you sound super judgy of people whose situation you have no concept of. This tracks very well with your insistence that you care about others. People who care about others don’t need to state it. It shows in how they treat people.
And you’ve been needlessly mean in just this simple conversation. So no, you don’t care about others. You just want to project that persona.
Your comment has the hallmarks of the ignorance that the average Lemmy user has…
And more condescension. Its as if more of the same thing will do different things.
Maybe add some racism or climate denial to the mix. Just for some seasoning.
I’ve spent most of my career working at small companies and they’ve all had fantastic work/life balance policies while also not skimping out on compensation packages. I guess you’ve just got to know how to pick 'em ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Having no tolerance for being treated like a machine rather than a human also helps.
I buy on Amazon because quite frankly it’s cheaper. It used to be the case where you could look up an item on Amazon search the supplier and buy it directly many times with it cheaper than Amazon. Nowadays that’s not the case.
Principles can only go so far, there is no reason anymore for me to go through the hassle of searching for the item on amazon, searching up the merchant online to see if they have a web page(many don’t), going through the hassle of having to fill in the payment information and then also having to worry about each and every company’s return policy; when I can just order it through Amazon, usually get free shipping on the item which already saves me seven or eight dollars a purchase, and not have to worry about any of the hassle and if something goes wrong I know that more than likely Amazon will have my back during the return process.
People buy from the company because they’re able to offer a service that many other businesses do not do strictly because of their size, and unfortunately I don’t think that’s fixable
I don’t think you should be downvoted, but where I will disagree is on price. Amazon is rarely the cheaper option nowadays, and more often than not I can find the same product for the same price or cheaper elsewhere.
Where Amazon used to have the market cornered (and still do to some extent) is in logistics. Few companies can easily commit to next day delivery (let alone same day), but that’s quickly changing with companies looking to take on Amazon in this market.
From my experience Amazon is generally either on par or less the price of straight from the source, which means when you add the free shipping to it, it’s generally cheaper from my experience. It could just be me not living in a super populated state though
It’s only cheaper for tatty knockoff garbage that breaks the first time. Real brands are the same price as anywhere else.
i can see your point. i for example did buy from amazon once so far this year. it was because the product I needed was expensive and part of a business calculation where i dont have the luxury to waste money.
however, I bought more than a hundred smaller products off of local sellers which are more expensive but i was able to afford it.
thats all I’m asking. that folks make a concious effort to prefer local sellers if they can, not some one dimensional exclusivity that will not work anyway.
This was always the intention.
Break up big tech. Regulate monopolies before the cause the second great depression.
amazon unhappy with happier employees can leave too
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I have had multiple offers to work at AWS. I won’t because I know how shitty they treat their employees.
if they make a dude piss in a bottle shuttling boxes, imagine what they’re making higher paid engineers do. sleepless nights? impossible deadlines? insane scope creep?
no. thank you, but no.
The psychology of abuse is the worst aspect. They make their workers question their own abilities and value, while demanding higher and higher output. It’s a grinder mentality.
Amazon employees starting their own businesses in 3-2-1…
“Please leave! If we fire you, we have to pay unemployment, but your replacements will be younger (less costly health problems) and will accept less pay. It’s win-win-win for us if you leave of your own accord!”
I know two senior programmers at Amazon who found new jobs rather than RTO. Within 24 hours after they left they got emails from recruitment identifying them as “boomerang candidates”, offered them a decent raise, and offered full time remote work.
This is nothing more than getting people to quit and hiring back key personnel lost in the process.
They will do whatever they can get away with.
Melian Dialogue: “the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must”
this is why collective action with 21st century employment is important. all of them could sit down. but they won’t because of humans constantly failing the prisoner’s dilemma.
I’ve heard that this is the new type of layoffs big tech is doing. Massive layoffs that are required lower the stock price but people quitting is not news. So the best strategy to get rid of staff is to create a hostile work environment temporarily until you reach the right amount.
This is a really bad idea for long term health of a company. The people that stay are the ones that will struggle to find new jobs and the people that leave probably already have another job at a competing firm lined up.
It’s just straight up dumb but keeps the stock price high and the CEO gets his bonus.
