I’m hearing alot about the structural flaws of First past the post voting these days. Glad to see more people talking about the topic. Let’s start making plans to fix this once and for all so people are free to vote how they want.

  • Bear
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    12 days ago

    When I see approval voting or election security efforts on the ballot I will vote in favor.

  • @[email protected]
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    204 days ago

    Last election my city passed rank choice voting, this election its being voted on state wide and will hopefully pass.

  • @[email protected]
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    154 days ago

    Another interesting fact relating to the presidential elections

    States are slowly making a pact, once enough of them are on board; fuck the electoral college. Whoever wins the national vote, gets the “states’” vote.

    CPP Gray: https://youtu.be/tUX-frlNBJY

    • @[email protected]
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      54 days ago

      I can’t see the red states ever getting on board with this, since the only way they’ve ever won is via the college and not the popular. They would be resigning their historical preference (based on history of the vote). Am I wrong? This seems to me to be how it stands.

      • @[email protected]OP
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        33 days ago

        Republicans are legislating to protect First Past the Post voting. Florida already has banned Ranked Choice voting (but there are many other voting systems we could use).

        So why haven’t the democrats passed electoral reform in states they control? Why do they want to continue using the voting system republicans prefer? Isn’t the republicans liking something a ultragigagigantic red flag?

        • @[email protected]
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          13 days ago

          I can’t even begin to understand why any of them do anything anymore. They’re all crooks anyway.

  • @[email protected]
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    64 days ago

    I’m having a hard time understanding the distinction of the voting method how its outcome differs from popular. I kinda feel like I get that there is a difference, but it’s not clicking. I’m probably just too tired.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      53 days ago

      First Past The Post voting (What most states use currently)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

      Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.

      Alternative vote

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE

      Ranked Choice voting

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z2fRPRkWvY

      Range Voting

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GFG0sXIig

      Single Transferable Vote

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI

      STAR voting

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-mOeUXAkV0

      Mixed Member Proportional representation

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU

    • BougieBirdie
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      94 days ago

      So imagine there’s three parties up for election. Party A gets 40% of the vote, Party B gets 30%, and Party C gets 30%.

      In this scenario with first-past-the-post, Party A wins because they get the majority. This means 60% of voters (also known as the majority) had no impact on the election because their candidates are thrown away.

      On the surface, proportional voting might look similar. But when you consider the highly gerrymandered state of voting districts, you start to realize that the deck is stacked in a very unfair way.

      This is sort of how you wind up in a situation where a candidate wins the election despite not attaining the popular vote - although as I understand it that has more to do with the electoral college (which frankly, also seems undemocratic)

      • @[email protected]
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        124 days ago

        Party A gets 40% of the vote

        Party A wins because they get the majority

        Just going to point out, 40% is not a majority. In this case they have a plurality.

      • @[email protected]
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        54 days ago

        I read more than once, though have never fact checked, that no republican ever got elected had the popular vote, only through the electoral college’s undemocratic system did they ever get elected. Anyone know if this is accurate?

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          Its not true, but the only time a Republican presedential canditate has got a majority of the votes in the 21st century is GWB in 2004. In the 20th century the winner in every election was the one who got the most votes, D or R.

  • @[email protected]
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    74 days ago

    Well, my province made it illegal for cities to decide to use anything other than FPTP.

    The province is likely to elect the same leader because we have a 30% voter turnout because people aren’t politically aware (and because our population is blaming Provincial problems on the Federal government).

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    34 days ago

    I’m not from the US but we do have FPtP here. I propose that all political positions should be filled in a manner similar to selecting a jury. Grab a bunch of citizens at random, do some vetting, install those that pass into the various positions. Three year limit. All major national policy votes taken via a (digital, on your phone) referendum. I strongly believe the only way to save politics is to remove “professional politicians” from the mix.

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    Top-two primary and/or ranked choice voting to start. I’d also like to see the popular vote compact come into play for the presidential election. Eventually, for Congress I’d like a hybrid system that accepts the existence of parties so it can manage their worst impulses and give representation to smaller constituencies.

    For the remaining geographic regions, set a certain standard for mathematical compactness; this doesn’t have to be too aggressive, as a long thin district can be completely sensible, but we don’t need the devil’s fractals many places have now. Also/or require districting committees to try to draw districts that would roughly approximate the state’s popular vote percentages. We know they’re excellent at isolating voters by party, so let them, but force them to play around on the edges to get one seat here, or get out front of some changing demographics here, not the wholesale cracking and packing we see from both parties now.

    It also all needs to be legislated at the federal level or even by constitutional amendment, but honestly we’re kind of fucked. The people who need to be reined in the most very much live in states where they are overrepresented in voting power, and I don’t see them giving it up.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      33 days ago

      You should check out STAR voting if you are concerned about using Ranked Choice voting with many candidates.

  • Lvxferre
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    I’m not from USA and where I live a two rounds system is used. That said, I wish that it got replaced with a ranked-choice system. Mostly because of the lower spoiler effect, and because going to the urns twice for the same election is a bit annoying.