Green politicians from across Europe on Friday called on U.S. Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein to withdraw from the race for the White House and endorse Democrat Kamala Harris instead.

“We are clear that Kamala Harris is the only candidate who can block Donald Trump and his anti-democratic, authoritarian policies from the White House,” Green parties from countries including Germany, France, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Ireland, Estonia, Belgium, Spain, Poland and Ukraine said in a statement, which was shared with POLITICO ahead of publication

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    If she didn’t her Votes wouldn’t go to Harris lol. If people don’t want to Vote Dem they aren’t going vote Dem. Harris has had all the time in the world to put effort into courting voters the same way she did Republicans. I plan on voting Third Party only for future elections. I want nothing to do with people who excuse genocide and link up with Dick Cheney.

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        So you want someone to be “rounded up” because of how they are exercising their right to vote, but you aren’t using that same time and energy to push your candidate to change positions to get said vote? This is the embodiment of blue maga lol

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            To be fair…

            …to the injudicious enabler of fascists, it is pretty shitty to suggest “I hope they come for you first,” even if the point is meant to be “you helped make the bed, so I hope you’ll be on the early access list to lie in it.”

            Might be a little better to say, “I hope I can stop them from rounding you up even though you didn’t vote to keep them from being able to try.”

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            Based on the other things they’re posting, I doubt it’s sarcasm. This person wants harm to come to people who vote third party. If not, they can reply to this clarifying otherwise or edit their original comment and I’ll happily stand corrected.

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        Ask Dick Cheney to tell Harris to changer her Border Policy and stop genocide and I’ll vote for her next time. :) I don’t care you subservient peon. I’m not standing with Dick Cheney or Liberals anymore. You don’t hate Republicans enough. You’re literally fine with right-wing policy if a (D) is doing it.

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            There more choices on the ballot than two. Sorry not Americans are heartless dogs who jump when Dems tell them to do so. Harris closer to Policy than to Trump than any of the other choices on the Ballot. People also live in Red States you goober.

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                The only traitors to this country are you subservient clowns who never stand for anything, continue to want people throw away their morals to retain comfort. I don’t give af about your approval. You lapdogs will continue to get dog walked by the GOP and you’ll support similar policy or throw any group under the bus for victory. Harris made her choices and it is her fault if she loses. I’ll do as she said on Trans health and follow the law. Get those people you called fascists a few months ago to walk you to the finish and line and clap it up like seals for the border wall you called bad a few years ago.

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                  I don’t give af about your approval.

                  I’m not here to offer you any approval even if you were seeking validation. In here to loudly, clearly repudiate you.

                  You are shortsighted and deluded and it’s important to call. that. shit. out.

                  Don’t care what you do, you’re a lost fucking cause. It’s anyone else who might see your nonsense get pushback and have a few more critical thinking skills and a memory longer than a fruit fly.

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                  “I’m doing things that make it easier for the Trump regime to take power, but you’re the problem.”

                  Great stance.

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                vapid mouth breather.

                They might be a mouth typer too. The parent comment has words arranged in a way that vaguely resembles the concept of a sentence.

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      Your heart is in the right place. I’m right there with you, but I voted Harris because the system doesn’t count my heart being in the right place, the two party system doesn’t acknowledge me. My vote won’t matter much anyways, since Seattle is going blue no matter what. But blowing up the popular vote to make it clear Americans don’t want trump meant more than a lost third party vote. But next time, as long as it’s not Maga on the ballot, I don’t want anything to do with big Dem.

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    It wouldn’t be this close if Harris just came out against the genocide in Gaza. Instead she has shunned Arab and Muslim voters.

    I am in Pennsylvania and I am voting for Jill Stein. Everything I could have done to communicate my grievances I have tried, including meeting with my representative who just insulted me instead of even feigning humanitarian concern.

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      Why do you think she’d gain more voters than loose by changing her stance on Israel? There are clearly people out there who support Israel otherwise it wouldn’t even be up for debate. I haven’t seen anything indicating she’d pick up more voters by changing her stance (which is still better than Trumps).

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        I can’t imagine the votes she’d gain for denouncing the war on Gaza would be bigger than the votes she’d lose for going against Israel.

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          Yeah, I only bring it up because Harris’ primary goal is to win the election. It sucks, but Israel is only one element of this election and the public isn’t in agreement with it. Harris could even want to be more aggressive on it, but can’t sacrifice the election.

          At the end of the day, there are two candidates. In a fptp system, you’ve got to vote for the better of the two candidates. Not voting for Harris is enabling Trump and will only lead to a worse situation in Israel.

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          meanwhile in the same universe. the cheney are as big of criminals as putin.

          doesn’t bill clinton has photos with Epstein ? its not like she is hugging him like biden hugging netanyahu. maybe he was there to poison her ?

          anyway people voting for her including me will write aoc rather than voting harris if there was no third option allowed. enough is enough.

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            You get that nothing had to happen at the dinner, right? That’s not how networking works.

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              Okay, then prove that something happened. I’m not the one implying she’s some sort of Russian asset with 0 evidence beyond a photo. That’s you.

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                I don’t have to prove anything happened. She was put at a dinner table with Putin in Moscow. Something that only happens if Putin finds you useful. He doesn’t sit at random tables and strike up conversations with whoever he finds.

                You put the rest together.

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            No one is saying anything had to happen, but she was certainly invited there there for a reason.

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              You don’t get put at a dinner table in Moscow with Putin unless Putin has a good reason for wanting you there.

              He doesn’t just sit down with random people and hope they have a good time.

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                  That’s basically what this person seems to be suggesting. Like she just happened to be sitting there and Putin and all of his closest people were like, “let’s go see who this lady is and what she’s up to!”

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              Well, sure. I’m not saying that Russians didn’t have a nefarious reason to invite her there. It’s entirely possible and maybe even likely that they did it because they saw a third party candidate as a useful tool to sow some sort of election discord in the US. But that claim would be entirely different than the claim that Jill Stein did it because she’s an asset or that this was her idea or purpose for being there. I’m disputing the latter, not the former, because her attending a gala for RT is not evidence of collusion and this was the implication being made. I can find all sorts of pictures online of Hillary Clinton and other politicians having dinners with Trump or Putin, but that doesn’t mean the photos are evidence that they were in collusion with either of them.

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    That would be against the entire purpose of her campaign.

    Havent they pretty much admitted that shes running cause republicans have paid for her campaign, to try and split votes from democrats?

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    I think from a third party point of view that makes no sense. It’s not for her to prop up the broken electoral system. Harris is essentially the lesser evil in this argument, but the real problem is the electoral system.

    Arguably the “better” outcome for third parties is for Harris to win the popular vote and lose the election because of the stupid electoral college system. That may actually get Democrats more serious about electoral reform which would benefit everyone. They’ve already lost twice despite winning the popular vote (Gore and H Clinton). Yet they continue to support broken electoral systems across the country at national and state level as all they care about is Dem vs Rep. Not actual democracy.

    The Democrats didn’t even have a proper primary contest in this election, they value democracy so little. They tried to forced Biden on the party and voters and it blew up spectacularly. The party needs a shake up and frankly losing may be better for them than Harris saving them from the party’s own disastrous mismanagement.

    I’m no fan of trump, but Americas problems run far deeper and are far more systemic than one election.

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      If you’re an internet rando, and don’t understand the broken game theory behind FPTP, then you’re an idiot. It’s obvious!

      If you’re a candidate, and don’t understand the broken game theory behind FPTP, then that’s fine, you’re not playing dumb or anything. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and go kick that football.

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      While the electoral college is problematic, it isn’t relevant in this regard. First past the post is the issue.

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      So voting for a hand puppet with no serious program, credentials, infrastructure to govern is better? Stein has no ambitions to make american do anything better, else she would be front and center actually doing something between election cycles… but she does not. If anything you have more risks, cause in the case she would magically win, who would become het cabinet? You have no clue who and what they stand for… And that should worry you … A lot.

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      The electoral system will be fixed if Trump wins. He will just dissolve it and end the election process. Voila! Reform!

      🙄

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    European Greens must be dumb as fuck then, because the US Green party exists to:

    Get

    Republicans

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    Every

    November

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      Maybe if your candidate were more popular than a rapist felon you wouldn’t need to worry about the Greens.

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      and republicans exist the dnc can put a boogeyman every election so we will have to vote for these corrupt scammers. our political system is so broken that we either get lobbyists controlled genocidal hacks or a dumb racist genocider.

      its like asking to eat either dogpoop or vomited dogpoop

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        Two sides of the same coin am I right!? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

        I grew up listening to Rush Limbaugh and other hate radio. There is no liberal comparison.

        They regularly called for the death of liberals amongst other horrible shit. The toxicity comparison is ridiculous when the other side is liberals saying they wish conservative voters were not misled.

        I get you don’t like the government. I don’t either, but this is not a god damned game of good cop bad cop.

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          They regularly called for the death of liberals amongst other horrible shit

          they are the same vocal minority as those on dnc side who have said if trumps wins then they want all muslims who didn’t vote for harris to be deported to gaza.

          they two parties may not be the same but they are both bad and corrupt enough that we need to start voting them out. after 2016 primaries i have no confidence in dnc to not rig the primaries against an actual liberal candidate again.

          there are easy things harris can still do to improve her chances but she is not even moral enough to disapprove genocide, progressive enough to disapprove fracking. she has failed upwards in the corrupt dnc as a token minority whose career has been of a smug prosecutor who has only looked down on minorities.

          but hey why not just run a propaganda campaign against jill stein who has been pro-climate since 1998.

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            Trump fomented anti-muslim sentiment and literally passed a travel ban against Muslim countries.

            The RNC completely rolled over for Trump in ways far worse than the DNC snubbing Berny.

            Harris is not pro-genocide no matter how many times you say it. You make it out like decades of gloves on diplomacy with Israel is suddenly her fault.

            Trump is open to letting Israel do whatever it wants and while in office stroked tensions between Israel and Palestine several times.

            To blow off the fact that she would be the first woman president and to trivialize her to a token representative speaks a lot about your mindset.

            If Jill Stein endorses Harris knowing she is the only remotely pro-climate candidate that could win then perhaps she isn’t the piece of shit everyone says she is. I won’t hold my breath waiting.

            One side is climate change denialists and the other isn’t. Two sides of the same coin right?

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                What an unwarranted insult to the noble equine!

                This Shadowfax is a cheap, flawed imitation. A dollar store replica. A sad, sad doppelganger.

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              To blow off the fact that she would be the first woman president and to trivialize her to a token representative speaks a lot about your mindset

              let me detail out the “tokens” here. do know that i am of indian origin as well.

              • immigrant : her mother comes from a upper caste rich family, harris grandfather was a officer in imperial service while many indians were being killed and jailed during its independence struggles. an upper caste privilege in india was worse than white privilege in US at that time. her mother was able to come here as an entitlement. so when dnc uses her as a symbol for immigrant struggles it irks a lot of indian’s whose parents have to escape india because of corruption and casteism and had to work hard to get here and survive in early days.

              and then there is her advocating for border wall and getting tough on immigration so basically adopting trump policy from 2016.

              • as a non-white she doesn’t seem very empathetic to them : this is an article from 2020 in herrald when she was already chosen as vp over warren (a woman) because lobbyist and mega-rich donors told bidden not to. if not for that she would never even gotten to be a dnc candidate here in 2024. warren was 3rd in the primaries way ahead if harris. warren today would have won by a landslide today and she has already called out on the genocide.

              so yes she is a token candidate from establishment.

              i am not even going to address other points as i am not voting or supporting gop. if a vp and presidential nominee don’t not even have power of condemning mass killing of children with our money then what’s the point of voting for them. choosing lesser evils never works it only brings more evil as we saw in 2020.

              then there are stunts like this which confirms to me that she is just a lobbyists placeholder.

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                Because politicians can’t just put somone in jail. The judiciary is an independent branch.

                Also you seem to be a 29 minute old account who has like 15 comments on a single issue and nothing else. Which is always sketchy.

                The entite purpose of your account seems to be “Harris bad”

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    a post I made earlier:

    If Harris loses California, New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, Hawaii, Vermont, DC, or Maine-1 because of vote-splitting by Stein, it will be Harris’s fault. If you’re voting in these states, you might as well vote your heart.

    https://lemmy.world/post/21147692

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      The Green party isn’t a party worth anyone’s heart. It’s all a big grift funded by conservatives that only puts any effort into the scammy presidential run. I don’t want more of that, I want progressives that challenge moderate Democrats in safe seats to give people a real option to move left.

      I’m in Hawaii, and we’re solid blue but last election the Greens had a whole of 2 candidates across the entire state. Some random party I’d never heard of had more candidates on the ballot. My state rep won with something like 2000 votes, no Green challenger in sight. If the Greens were a real party they’d jump on that opportunity. A little sweat and door knocking can pull off 2000 votes. Hell, we have Ed fucking Case in Congress. I’d kill to vote against him, but my only other option is a MAGA conspiracy theorist.

      The GPUSA isn’t a real party.

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        See this is your issue assuming we give a shit about jill or the green party. 😂

        We dont. it was just a convenient box to tick because harris’ campaign tried to remove her from the ballot, and fed their bullhorns the line about splitting the ticket. The vote would still have been cast for a different third party candidate unless Harris’ position was corrected. It wasnt so the box gets ticked away.

        Learn to properly focus your political energy: its much easier to get harris to flip than getting a million voters who have morals to flip.

        So unless you want what is happening in gaza: learn to lie to your politicians.

        1. Tell them you’ll vote third party over x.
        2. Follow through if you’re in a deep blue state.
        3. Hedge your bet by voting Democrats down ballot.
        4. Always lie to pollsters about your intent for any given candidate. The less reliable polls are the better. Means your letters to your politicians are more important.
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          Are you saying that if Stein dropped out, her supporters would have voted for De la Cruz?

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    ah if only they could also ask harris to tell israel to stop bombing medical supplies and food for kids. i mean israel is going to say fook off to us anyway to us. but just issue a statement. is that too much too ask ? they can still kill any kids and civilians they can get their hands on but atleast don’t let them starve to death ?

    the extent of indecency of both campaigns. god i hope there is a hell in afterlife.

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      Yarp, and still voted for her because harris is that bad and hasnt shifted at on key issues that actually relate to the role of president. Like supporting labor (kahn, no strike busting, etc) and follwing the law with respect to weapon sales/delivery.

      Focus your energy on getting harris to move, its a lot easier than getting people like me to move; we actually have moral values, harris doesnt. Though at this point its unlikely there are many hold outs waiting for her. Cast my ballot a week ago. Good luck in your efforts! Im rooting for you 🤷

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        “My moral values allow me to vote against my best interests and the welfare of anyone who doesn’t align with the christofascist right. I have such a difficult time with concepts like “logical thinking” and “cause and effect” that I can rationalize such a terrible decision and even pretend that I’m the solution!”

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        At least you are not worried about all the extra people in the world that will get hurt by your reactionary stance leading to a trump presidency. If you can’t have your way, let the world burn… Gotcha.

        In this case you either vote against actual fascism or risk it taking over.

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      I might be more tempted to believe this if I wasn’t regularly accused of the same thing by every Democrat on Lemmy.

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        Nothing to believe. The proof is in front of your eyes. Green Party funding is from Russian sources. Jill loves to have dinners with Putin and the oligarchs.

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        It holds a little more weight when you’ve been photographed at a formal dinner alongside every single Russian head of state.

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      Yup, even my friend Fred the Fungi was just yapping about this, told me to follow the money.

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      any proof ? and are we to ignore the dnc has significant funding from aipac to enable them to murder kids with our tax money ?

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        GEnOcIdE!!! Whatabout!!!

        It will ve a nice place when you all leave by tuesday.

        Oh wait, maybe you’ll be back whining about voter fraud

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          Its not what about to mention harris’ policy position on gaza its extremely relevant to Harris’ campaign in particular to the nonsense being spouted here.

          Only one person had to shift to be less of a shit human and that was harris and this issue would have disappeared immediately. Learn to properly focus your energy. To help you with this process let me give you a breakdown of choices you as an individual had:

          1. Which is easier changing the mind of a politician who has flipped on a number of issues? Or a million individuals in a country of 300?
          2. Which argument is easier to make? Support a genocide? Or dont support a genocide?
          3. You should vote? Or you should vote for my particular candidate?

          Notice how you’ve decided to pick the harder of literally every single option?

          Harris will flip on a dime on gaza if you stop wasting your breath defending her and switch your efforts to criticizing her. No one is asking you to vote for trump. Hell look through my history its always: ‘if you’re in deep blue voting 3rd party is a okay, if you’re purple harris is your best option, but not your only one’

          You dont need to be this worked up over harris if she loses to trump its her fault for running a terrible campaign using terrible policy positions. She had an entire year of warning over gaza and she chose to swing right on her policies, alienating a large swath of her base.

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            This is such a backward comment I don’t know where to start. Tortured logic, the fact that voting 3rd party doesn’t send the specific message you’re looking to send, or perhaps that it’s all Harris’ fault that she lost while ignoring everything about outside election interference including Stein’s ties to Russia and conservatives all in one post. Bonus points for projecting that a large death of her base cares solely about Gaza and would be willing to suffer fascism instead.

            Can’t wait until these astroturfing accounts are retired after the election.

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              Never said it sent a specific message. It sends one message: you didnt get this vote. I sent the specific message weeks ago, daily for 3 weeks to harris, and my local critters. This post is to counteract the nonsense spread about voting for the lesser evil and to give people an option to opt out of supporting harris without endangering a trump win.

              The message here for you is: jill stein doesn’t matter. Learn to focus your efforts productively. Its easier to influence one person (harris) than it is a million (people like me).

              Please reread my post in particular the 3 decisions your making atm and realize how absolutely useless your efforts will be here. Atm all you’re doing is broadcasting to everyone your okay supporting a genocidal candidate.

              Again if Harris loses thats her fault. Not mine, not yours. She chose how her campaign is run, what messages are delivered, etc.

              Also please watch this interview. Thinking these accounts are all astroturfing is going to hurt you more than me if harris loses. My state already has legal protections for all the things people are trying to use to defend Harris’ monstrous policy positions. They’re not effective arguments to vote for harris in my deep blue state.

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                The way these people salivate over Trump hurting people who vote for Stein, I think they’re all bloodthirsty enough to want genocide. But keeping fighting the good fight. Just know that if Harris wins, we’ll keep having to pressure her after the election just as if she was Trump, and probably without the help of the rest of these liberals as they go back to brunch and wanting to ignore politics.

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                “Take a look at this video, which should convince all of you that trying to convince individuals is a failing effort.”

                Do you even read what you post?

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    Third party candidates. The real threat to america. /s

    Will she get any votes? Tune in next time on Election Ball Z!

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      No joke, I know two people voting for her because they believe it demonstrates people want a third choice. Sigh.

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          If they live in swing states they are.

          Ideally third party candidates could get concessions from either Republicans or democrats in exchange for an endorsement. Kennedy got some completely insane concessions from trump for example.

          But Stein hasn’t been reported to have asked the dems for anything. Which means the green party is trying to get trump elected. My guess is that Stein got concessions from trump to stay in the race.

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            harris can get a big push just by saying civilians casualties in gaza are way too many and israel need to do better. this has been a non-negotiable for grreen party so its her fault that they don’t want to endorse.

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        and they are very much right. current dnc is more pathetic that any republican govt before. they could have won it by landslide by having aoc or even just putting even symbolic sanctions on israel. but they don’t to set a precedent that people’s opinion can be taken into account. instead they continue spitting on us forcing lobbyists controlled genocider to spit on their voters. not everyone is going to fall for this trick third time in a row.

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    Haha they must be new to this, Jill Stein isn’t running for president, she is running to split the vote like they paid her to.

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      Fun fact: if jill wasnt on the ballot harris still wouldn’t have received my vote. Harris losing votes has nothing to do with jill being there. Harris’ struggles are purely her own fault, propaganda from Russia only works if there is a edge to grab, the only reason there is an edge to grab is because harris has decided to treat arab Americans absolutely horribly this entire campaign.

      Learn to focus your energy properly: on changing Harris’ mind not the voters for whom preventing a genocide is important. Trust me it’ll be easier.

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        Jill has a snowball’s chance in hell of winning and if you think voting for her helps the “Arabs” you are wrong. It cancels out your voice because Jill is not a viable candidate. Your vote has been effectively split.

        Your choices, like it or not, are Harris or Trump. So let’s break this down since you seem to think a vote for Harris is worse than not voting.

        Kamala Harris has prioritized a ceasefire in Gaza, advocating for Israel’s right to respond to Hamas attacks while emphasizing civilian protection and addressing humanitarian needs. Harris’s approach focuses on a three-part plan for Gaza’s future: reconstruction, enhanced Palestinian Authority security, and governance reforms to stabilize the area post-conflict. Harris, however, does not support an arms embargo on Israel but has backed withholding specific weapons amid Israel’s military operations in Gaza. She views a two-state solution as a path toward long-term stability, but she stresses that immediate efforts should be humanitarian and diplomatic to prevent civilian harm and prepare for a sustainable resolution.

        Donald Trump, in contrast, has heavily criticized ceasefire calls as limiting Israel’s ability to eliminate Hamas, framing his support as “unconditional” for Israel’s military objectives. Trump argues that his policies would have prevented the escalation of violence, asserting that Hamas’s attack on Israel would not have occurred if he were in office. While he has expressed skepticism about a two-state solution, Trump is more focused on empowering Israel to pursue military action without restriction. Trump has also suggested that his approach would involve exerting pressure on Israeli leadership if necessary to secure what he describes as a “final resolution” to the conflict, though specifics remain vague. Trump’s campaign has used pro-Israel rhetoric to appeal to voters and has signaled a hardline stance against Hamas.

        So, I am sure your voting for the lady who can’t win as opposed to the lady who can win will help the “Arabs” you seem to care so much about. Good on you for picking a hill to die on though, I hope you like it because you and your people are about to die on it.

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          Oh! Oh I’ve seen this one in another thread!

          “I wouldn’t vote for either of them.”

          That’s not an option in this exercise, you have to pick one or the other.

          “I don’t see why I’d have to choose. I pick neither.”

          Again, that wasn’t the question. Harris or Trump are the only acceptable answers. If you have to choose one, which would it be?

          That’s how the exchange generally went. It shone a really nice spotlight on the ridiculous mindset at play.

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            I’m waiting for jatone to chime in. Humans aren’t good at logic problems, especially real world ones where they don’t have to follow instructions. Ever try giving a logic puzzle to a 6 year old and they answer “well I wouldn’t do either of those things I’d buy an airplane and use a laser gun and then…”

            That’s what this stuff is. While I understand the desperate need to reform the system, you don’t do that by throwing the game. I know how unlikely it is to change their minds (and they already voted) but others reading this who aren’t as bull-headed might take half a second to re-evaluate the actual outcomes available from the actions to be taken. That’s the hope anyways.

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              Good on you for remaining hopeful! In cases like this, though, the ignorance is willful. They know how absurd they’re acting. Once the conversation goes past the point of their ability to just be obstinate, they abruptly cease responding.

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      Of course they know that. They’re saying this to make exactly this point. While the average US voter will be entirely unaware of and oblivious to what some pinkos from cheese eating surrender monkey land say, potential green voters just might take notice.

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          I don’t like that phrase because it was used a lot by the american right when france refused to support them in the Iraq war and by far right figures in the UK during Brexit.

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            Of course. The way it was used here was to make fun of exactly those people.

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              If I recall correctly it originally started as something said by Willie in the simpsons but then a lot of people started saying it in real life to insult people based on nationality which is kinda fucked up and was condemned as xenophobic.

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    People really need to stop assuming every Stein voter is a stolen Harris vote. I’d rather stay home than vote for Harris.

    I suspect the actual pushback is to prevent the Greens from reaching the 5% voter threshold, and making them a more viable party.

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      Pic

      This is you. You’re the middle path. It’s the scenic route to the worst outcome.

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        now redo the meme with harris at lever and put not sucking up to lobbyists & mim in the first track. we shouldn’t even be debating about this as requirement to be worthy of being a president.

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            dnc made him viable because they are corrupt hacks who many people have begin despising after being betrayed by them repeatedly. obama got the most one sided victory in last few decades including many red states. but now they have magically became racist ? or is that they hate dnc and voting trump out of spite & anger. or just voting 3rd party or sitting it out. a reason why many minorities are not going to vote for harris.

            i always remember this clip from wire whenever harris start bullshiting on camera

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              Nah, chief. There are only two viable candidates in most of our presidential elections due to how the system is set up.

              But keep making shit up and spewing nonsense for the next few days. Momma always said “stick with what you’re good at.”

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                thats some very solid advice you get there, what was i thinking not following the system. germans solved so many problems following the system.

                • @[email protected]
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                  Still waiting for you to give the only other viable candidate the same treatment.

                  Are you a coward or are you a shill?

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        You need a few more rail forks downstream represent the groups getting protected by local governments. Which is the reality many states.

        Which also allows you to make more informed decisions.

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          I think it’s the 3rd party voters here that are implying that.

    • @[email protected]
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      Everyone gets downvoted from time to time. In this case the reason is that you’re pro Trump. Perhaps not in philosophy but certainly in action. Which is all that matters.

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      Tell me you don’t understand a first past the post voting system without telling me.

      For real though, you sound like an idealist, a perfectionist, who lets good be the enemy of perfect. I don’t think you actually want a conversation - you want others to hear your voice and opinion.

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      Yep.

      But you’re in lemmy.world, and the commenters here are just looking to pick fights with rational thoughts like yours.

      They are scared and are lashing out; I get it. But it’s still not okay. Randos telling you you’re supporting Trump is disingenuous garbage. They won’t care that you still voted in congressional races and local issues.

      I appreciate comments such as yours. Please don’t be dissuaded from making them in the future.

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        “Rational thoughts”

        “A vote for a third party candidate in an election with two viable candidates doesn’t benefit the party I’m least aligned with.”

        Choose one. Both can’t be true.

        Ah, shit, I forgot… you lot are awful at understanding how binary decisions work.

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    Good. I was apart of the Green Party, I left when I learned they were planning of running a candidate this year, when internally, we were floating around the idea of NOT running a candidate.

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      That’s interesting insider info. Was the reason for not fielding a candidate because of this particular issue (splitting the vote)?

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          Why would you assume I just believe them outright? I just said it was interesting and asked a follow up question to get more info.

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        Can’t say exactly, it was just floated around, I’m guessing it was for that specific reason, but that was around the time I was thinking of leaving for other reasons, they are VERY unorganized as a party and it really, really bothered me. The way smaller Transhumanist Party seems more organized than the Green Party.

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          Probably because running a presidential candidate is a waste of money unless your intent is to split the vote.

          Start local, gain influence, work your way up.

          Edit - to those downvoting, the Green Party literally has zero representation, even at the State level. And you want to jump straight to POTUS. Riiight.

          Get one state senate seat. Get one House of Representatives seat. Get some kind of representation. Then you have a bargaining chip.

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            The threat of splitting the vote is a good reason to run, if you feel like your position isn’t being taken seriously enough AND that it’s important enough that everything else is worth losing.

            The problem is that the majority of the Democrats are on board with green initiatives. The only holdup on the $10T program before was Manchin. She has now pivoted RCV, or more specifically destroying the duopoly because they are the enemy for “reasons”.

            Also, she’s said that she wouldn’t pull out even if the Dems gave her what she wanted. So it doesn’t really work as a threat either.

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              Eh, threatening to split the vote might in theory get some campaign promises, but such promises are likely to evaporate when things get down to it.

              Meanwhile if you actually hold a persistent presence in the house or senate, particularly when it’s close, you got ongoing leverage. Hell, folks like AOC, MTG, Boebert have an absurd amount of national influence for being elected by merely a singular district.

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          IDK if I really want to know but I can imagine a mid-to-far-left party like the greens would have a lot of disparity in the views of members.