• masterofn001
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    10117 days ago

    OK, elon, prove it.

    Matthew 19:21,

    Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

    Matthew 19:24,

    “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

    • @[email protected]
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      1917 days ago

      “the eye of the needle was a gate in an ancient city and it was difficult but not impossible to get through it carrying stuff”

      Actual stuff “christians” say to justify not following inconvenient parts of the bible

      • @[email protected]
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        1317 days ago

        I’ve never met a teacher who says “doing things this way is extremely hard, but there’s another way that seems harder now but is ultimately easier” and meant anything other than “no seriously do it the second way because you’re just going to fail and be confused if you do it the first way”. Now that’s the generous statement.

        The reality is that there is no archaeological or historical evidence of this particular gate. There is however immense theological evidence that Jesus of Nazareth, in the explicit canon of post Nicene Christianity, routinely demanded those who followed him to give everything in charity to those in need, to share without concern for the self, and to treat their fellow humans with the level of love and care they give themselves. But when someone actually does all that they wind up socially punished and/or sanctified.

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        17 days ago

        There’s also a theory that the word “camel” in that passage was a mistranslation of a type of rope. IE it’s easier to thread a needle with a full cord of rope than for a rich man to get into heaven. The metaphor still works the same, but now it doesn’t rely on an in joke about one specific gate in Jerusalem.

        Despite the fact that im not christian, I love when jesus preaches against hoarding wealth because they are totally reasonable guidelines for equitable living in a community, and most christians just totally ignore it

        • @[email protected]
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          317 days ago

          There’s a reason there’s a long history of Christian anarchism and communism. I’m not Christian anymore but I was raised one and it did influence my morality to the left

      • @[email protected]
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        217 days ago

        Can confirm, I remember the pastor explaining that during a sermon one Sunday morning when I was a kid.

    • @[email protected]
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      1417 days ago

      Of course! Just like Jerry Falwell Pat Robertson Kenneth Copeland!

      Yeah… there’s still time for Copeland…

      /s

    • @[email protected]
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      617 days ago

      “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

    • Communist
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      417 days ago

      i think he’s actually stupid enough to believe he’ll achieve all his insane goals and then everyone will be rich…

          • @[email protected]
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            616 days ago

            8-10 years ago he was definitely viewed more favorably. His image didn’t start to slip until he called that diver a pedo and that was back in 2018. 8-10 years ago he was the electric cars and spaceships to mars guy.

    • @[email protected]
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      1717 days ago

      People are saying that didn’t happen, but I genuinely remember when I would constantly see sentiment that he would save the human race back in like, 2012?

      It was a majority opinion in tech and liberal circles.

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        1017 days ago

        Yeah, I remember all that, I just don’t remember him being part of the “new atheist” group that was popular around that time. Mostly it was the cars and “colonizing” Mars…nothing to do at all with religion or lack thereof, really.

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          717 days ago

          I remember having the impression he was an atheist too for some reason, maybe it was some next level PR trying to make him seem like a super logical tech bro with big dreams and the means to achieve them.

    • @[email protected]
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      1217 days ago

      Seriously, he at best seemed questionably okay 10+ years ago.Then he turned out to be a giant piece of shit, an unintelligent, horribly cliche villain from an M. Night Shyamalan movie.

      • Stern
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        517 days ago

        Fired his P.R. team and went from Tony Stark to a somehow worse Justin Hammer.

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          917 days ago

          He fired his PR yeam years agter he called that diver a pedophile. He’s always been like this, there’s just no one trying to cover for him anymore.

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        317 days ago

        I definitely remember that, but it was more about saving humanity and being an interplanetary species and stuff. I don’t recall anything specifically referring to his religious/spiritual beliefs or him being an atheist leader, icon, hero, etc, like Dawkins or Harris. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t, I could have missed it, but personally this is the first time I’ve seen him connected to atheism so that’s why I’m a little confused. And sadly I’ve kept a close eye on him over the years because sometimes my job involves interfacing with one of his companies. I don’t love it.

  • @[email protected]
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    4017 days ago

    "I believe in (insert profitable answer here)…oh, I wasn’t supposed to say that part out loud…

    Anyways, buy a Tesla!"

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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    3617 days ago

    Then he should give everything he has to the poor. A lot of people say they believe in the teachings of Jesus then act as though they merely believe in his divinity

  • Cruxifux
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    3117 days ago

    If I was still a Christian this shit would be insulting to me.

  • @[email protected]
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    2517 days ago

    Not the part about giving away your riches or loving your neighbor though.

    He had no comments on “which” teachings though, I’m sure.

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    1717 days ago

    I’m a Christian. I know I’m not supposed to make proclamations about this. But he doesn’t. He simply doesn’t.

    • @Good_morning
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      517 days ago

      He’s just trying to sway voters last minute. The undecided Christian who sees trump, “well musk likes Jesus and he likes trump, I guess it’s ok.”

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      217 days ago

      Back when I was a Christian (and still today) people like him are why I have such an issue with sola fide. How you act should be seen as a crucial element of your beliefs. And while there’s room for forgiveness for failure, what you really believe is found in the way you strive and struggle to behave.