An actual quote I saw today posted on Twitter: “Florida is a conservative Christian state, and they voted against murdering unborn babies. The democratic process is complete. They can leave if they want to do that.” There’s a lot to unpack there. I also got into an argument with the guy who posted it, who claimed somehow that it’s not ok for Federal government to regulate Women, but if states wants to do it then it’s ok, and they should just leave to another state then. like… wow. America is a strange place
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Conservatives want their women to be able to get abortions while also being able to tell everyone they oppose it. It’s a phenomenon you can look up called “the only moral abortion is my abortion”.
I mean the “Only Moral Abortion is my Abortion “ The rich will just travel overseas for a clinic and spend a week somewhere on a beach for the rest of week sipping on cocktails, while the poor will just get poorer, sicker and hungrier
Any sane person needs to GTFO out of Florida anyway. The weather is only going to get more extreme and so are the christo fascists.
I’m just trying to finish my degree to leave. It’s a shame Miami is so unique because I can’t find any place with such diversity. Only comparable alternative I could find in the US was NYC.
Come to California. We have the best tacos and xlb.
I’ve thought about it but while it is more free, the city layout looks worse. At least the public transportation is serviceable here.
We’re working on it, for the Olympics. Putting capitalism to work for transport reform.
That vote was like… 57% to 43% in favor of abortion, and only failed because it needed to hit 60%. Ironically the amendment that made that requirement possible didn’t pass with 60% of the vote.
What is this weird 60% rule?
57% of Floridians voted in favor of abortion rights.
57% If Floridians voted in favor of abortion rights.
One small correction: 57% of the people who voted, voted in favor. Florida has approximately 22 million people as of the last census, with about 17.732 million over the age of 18. Here are the vote counts:
No: 4,547,767 (42.8%) Yes: 6,068,933 (57.2%) This means about 7.115 million people in Florida did not vote, so approximately 40.1% of the adult population voted. Truly wild to see.
I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion that people who cannot be bothered to vote shouldn’t really count.
Surprisingly enough, they don’t count!
22million people who are eligible to vote? I want to know if that’s everyone who lives in Florida (man women, children, citizens, non-citizens etc), or just eligible voters.
I updated my comment, initially I had the wrong figure. I went back to the US Census website, and looked again. Then, I took the number who are over 18 years of age only, and subtracted that out.
Your updated number is still off by over a million. Not everyone over the age of 18 is eligible to vote. Not that it changes the point much, but you want to look for eligible voters vs over 18.
Read their comment again
I did after the update. Their comment doesn’t account for people who are old enough to vote/and counted in the census but still are not eligible voters. 78.76 percent of eligible voters voted. The total number of people who voted is 10,999,265 out of a total number of eligible voters 13,949,168.
This is important context that was missing from both the original comment and the edited comment.
57 percent of the people who voted voted for abortion rights. That’s 6,269,581 voters. Since the bar for a measure to pass in Florida is 60 percent, we know that if the other 2,949,903 people had voted at all and they’d voted in favor that would have passed the abortion rights initiatives on the ballot. In fact the abortion rights initiative only needed 109,927 more votes in order to pass. It was extremely close to passing.
They voted for abortion rights at the state level, then voted in a Senator, two Representatives, and Trump into office so they can pass a national abortion ban that will apply to their state.
In some other states yes, but the abortion protection in Florida failed to pass, leaving their “6-week” (2 weeks from detectability) ban in place.
(Edit: on my phone, didn’t see you were replying such that your “they” refers to the 57% of those who voted, which was insufficient to pass the amendment.)
My point is that more than half voted for abortion rights and more than half voted for the anti abortion candidates.
It’s probably because when they see ‘R’ next to a candidate’s name, they can’t help but choose that.
Why stop at abortion? Which Bible verse is that anyway? Let’s get to work and add more laws. How about the one for adultery? That’s a good one.
Leviticus 20:10 threatened that ‘the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife … the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death’, while Deuteronomy 22:22 thundered, if a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then both of them shall die
No dont go after my polycule too :(
So we’ve been going on for a pretty long time about how Florida is basically largely going to get completely lmaoed by climate change, and trying to warn people moving there and so on.
But as time goes on, I’m thinking maybe it’s best if they suffer the consequences of their actions, and let the ocean have this one.
Refugees will of course not be accepted in accordance with the new regime policy either, and FEMA has been fully dissolved.
The problem is not everyone who wants to can move. Picking up everything and moving to New England or the West Coast is not viable for people making minimum wage.
It’s more viable for renters than people who have to sell a house no one will buy but is too much of their net worth for them to feel like they can walk away from it.
In practice, sure, the situation is actually similar but the homeowners won’t feel like it is and humans are mostly illogical.
If you’re talking about stress, sure, a renter can relocate more easily than a home owner. Stress isn’t worth dollars, though. A homeowner is still much more likely to have the financial ability to relocate. If renters had spare cash of a substantial amount, don’t you think they’d put it towards owning?
How much do you think a mortgage down payment is? A U-Haul rental?
You’re not wrong, but that’s a pretty wild point of order.
People will buy the house for sale. The country made it clear that half of the population is happy with one of the sides. Reds want to move out of blue states all the same. So yes, a down payment and a moving rental are a magnitude of order apart, but relocating still introduces huge expenses. A 600 mile trip with a 15’ truck and car trailer is about $1,000 (it’s the mileage rate that gets you). Hotels if needed, road food, security down payments, and gas are the easy ones to point out. Then there’s the added stress and costs of scoping out your destination, finding a suitable place, not being employed during the transition, losing your current social networks, and pulling it off solo. My point is that “just move” isn’t feasible to many of the people most affected by the predicted changes.
Sure.
And yet it is still more feasible now than it will be later.
There won’t be much to pick up after it’s destroyed by mother Gaia.
They should have voted then, or if they did vote, vote a different way. America is going to get the government they deserve.
Edit: and those poor people, those people are the cost of others’ decisions. Oh well. Sucks to be American
Climate change is the term that the GOP came up with in focus groups because it was “less scary”.
Call it what it is. Global warming.
I think global warming as a term is not great, because it fails at communicating the end result of the overall average temperature increase, which is more chaotic weather on account of the increased energy present in the system. Sometimes this will mean temporary local reductions in temperature, and sometimes it will mean unusually cold years in places. Don’t give people the option to use ‘bUt iT’s cOlDeR tHiS yEAr sO hOw cAn gLoBaL wArMiNg bE rEaL’ as an easy argument.
Climate change is the more accurate term, but I do prefer terms that more accurately communicate the severity of the situation, such as the climate crisis, for example.
Absolutely
Global warming’ gave us that senator with the snowball
In an ideal world we wouldn’t have to moderate accurate terms to prevent bad actors making dumb arguments
But this is clearly not an ideal world
Most people actually voted in favor of the florida abortion ammendment. The threshold is just unusually higher (60%) than most states. It was close to 60% but just a little shy at around 57%
With a different national environment with just a bit higher dem turnout, it probably would’ve passed
Both abortion and weed should’ve passed, they had the majority.
The case to put the 60% rule in place DIDNT EVEN GET 60% ON ITS VOTEIronically enough to make the vote require 60%, in order to pass it only received 57%.
I commented this elsewhere, but I’ll say it here too :)
57% of the people who voted, voted in favor. Florida has approximately 22 million people as of the last census, with about 17.732 million over the age of 18. Here are the vote counts:
No: 4,547,767 (42.8%) Yes: 6,068,933 (57.2%) This means about 7.115 million people in Florida did not vote, so approximately 40.1% of the adult population voted. Truly wild to see.
It’s possible that 💯% of those who didn’t vote would have voted No
Abortion protection was proposed as a constitutional amendment because the backwards -ass gerrymandered legislature here is much more conservative than the population. A majority of us voted for freedom of choice even though the amendment on the ballot had bold text added by the governor, including the dubious claim that it would “increase the number of abortions performed in the state”. They only added these annotations to the two amendments DeSantis opposed.
I was born here, my kids were born here, I am progressive, my kids are progressive, all y’all dehumanizing us, why? We are just people, like you!
Soooo the 58% of Floridians who voted for banning anti abortion laws also want Fl to be a Christian state?
I think the tiniest sliver of silver lining is that republicans seem to want states to decide on a whole slew of things, meaning that any anti-trans legislation likely won’t mean I need to leave the country, only sell my house and move to another state and pray I can find a job there.
This timeline sucks.
No, they want states to decide on issues they’re losing federally but still let the fed decide things if they’re winning. There is no consistency, just temporary workarounds.
57.2% of voters chose to not control women.
Hi am Floridan. Yes I want to leave but can’t because i either have to go to uni in Florida, or be in debt.
Not to pressure you to leave if it’s not feasible for you (I’ve so been there), but in case you haven’t heard of it: the Academic Common Market program, run by the Southern Regional Education Board, may be an avenue to get out of Florida while staying in college.
Hang in there.
Pretty neat that exists for people who want to study something niche.
There are other programs for other regions too! I wish I’d known about it when I was in college.
These are hard times, and more are coming. And I don’t exactly remember the quote, but it’s along the lines of:
“When a run-away team of horses is headed off a cliff, the driver can sometime be seen encouraging them on, presumably, since he knows he cannot stop them, he at least feels some sense of control over the situation.”
Wow, that is metal as fuck dude… what a terrifying image that provides…🫣
Get off twitter tho…
And go where? Get off twitter and come to Lemmy to get dogpiled for not having views that perfectly align with ours. People wont get off twitter untill you offer them a better alternative.
People can share tweets virtually anywhere by screenshotting it and reposting it on Facebook, reddit, etc. I saw it on Facebook and clicked it.
That… Somehow makes it even worse.
