NATO and Ukraine will hold emergency talks Tuesday after Russia attacked a central city with a hypersonic ballistic missile that escalated the nearly 33-month-old war.
  • bdonvr@thelemmy.clubEnglish
    5·
    6 months ago

    I’m confused from where you are drawing that I said that

    It’s more that NATO shouldn’t be (and isn’t really) surprised.

    I never said or implied what actions they should or shouldn’t take or anything. Where are y’all getting this?

    • SkyezOpen@lemmy.worldEnglish
      19·
      6 months ago

      You’re shifting the framing to “NATO is escalating the conflict.” Motherfucker, Russia can deescalate any time by leaving. Why is the onus on everyone else to not cross any red lines?

      • bdonvr@thelemmy.clubEnglish
        5·
        6 months ago

        I mean it’s definitely not a statement of right or wrong to suggest that taking a new, further step is an escalation above the previous situation.

        • SkyezOpen@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          6 months ago

          My dude, if I come to your house and start punching you in the face and you start punching back, are you now escalating the conflict? No. We’re already fucking brawling, and I started it.

          • bdonvr@thelemmy.clubEnglish
            3·
            6 months ago

            Sure, going from being a helpless victim to one fighting back is an escalation. Isn’t always a bad thing?

        • Coriza@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          6 months ago

          I think the problem is what you consider an escalation. If someone slaps you in the face, you slapping them back is considered an escalation or proportional response? I think most would consider framing it as an escalation as a type of shifting the blame or changing the frame of events that minimize the responsibilities of the the guy that first slapped you.