European here. Tipping is not already included in the price of the meal. Living wage is included in the price of the meal.
Tips is completely voluntary, if you think the service was excellent then you really just round up to the nearest nice round number (something like 22.85 becomes 25)
Tipping is not already included in the price of the meal. Living wage is included in the price of the meal.
That is the tip. In the US, “tipped” labor often has a reduced minimum wage, under the expectation that they make the difference up in tips.
My guy/gal/pal.
We do things differently in different parts of Europe.
You’re right, I made the same mistake as OP. There is no “European system of tipping”.
To add to that I’d say there’s no drama attached to not leaving a tip.
Totally, waiters don’t expect a tip at all. So if it’s given, it’s appreciated even more.
i you mean it, tip 10-15% of the bill! (often the “living wage” is still precarious.)
increase prices
people have to pay more money
How has no one thought of this
The tipping culture is very rooted in Americans. I was at restaurant in Europe and there was a customer (certainly American). He ate during 30 minutes or less, the waiter was nice but he wasn’t doing it for tips and the customer only saw him when he ordered the food and at payment. The prices are high end.
When he paid he was surprised that there was no tipping options (unfortunately we started seeing them in some European countries) and asked him to pay another 10€.
There’s literally no profit? Like aside from already running a successful restaurant (hard), doing this will earn the business owner no extra income.
It is still based af because then the wait staff gets paid a lot more
Tipping culture should die.
I’d rather have meals on the menu be what I pay. Include tax, service fees, and other garbage fees.
I went to Japanese restaurant in NYC. They took my card and they returned it. I asked about the tip. They said it was all included. Fucking dream.
Not being an American the whole idea of not including tax in the stated price just seems so alien. You expect me to work out what 12.5% of my bill is on the fly as I’m shopping? Fuck you, that’s your job. You are the one actually paying the tax to the government, you work it out
Also “They took my card”. That is apparently an American thing.
Hell we still sign a receipt an we only just got them chips recently
Do you guys still do the hilarious chip & sign thing or have you finally switched to using a PIN?
You think that’s hilarious? There are a lot of places in the world that still do a manual shhk-shhk of a card only a few years ago. Now that most cards don’t have raised digits, they’ll write it down. If they even take a card.
Places where the Internet goes down if it rains and there is no mobile service. Imagine the horror.
The other side of the coin - paying with debit (which has a pin) is stupid in the US. Unless you can’t control your spending, credit card is the way to go for every legal purchase you don’t mind being tied to you forever. CCs have far superior consumer protection than the law.
You are the one actually paying the tax to the government, you work it out
Also they would only have to do it once per item, shoppers have to do it every time!
They took my card and they returned it
Welcome to 2000 ? I cant remember the last time i carried a card, wtf.
Waiters are against it as they may get way more than if they were paid by the owner. Also they automatically get raises when menu prices increases.
What blows my mind is that American do tip everywhere and also give cash to some workers at the end of the year (mail man, garbage man,… Etc).
Waiters are against it as they get way more than if they were paid by the owner.
They’re not against it, and they don’t.
Source: was waiter for a decade
If you are paid $15/h that is 20% of $75. Don’t you think that the clients you will serve will pay way more than that during an hour?
You must have been paid very well as a waiter to do better than tips.
Thia is where you should name and praise the restaurant
All hail Kermit, the Japanese restaurant
There is a korean place I love in a city in a neighboring state. Worth driving over an hour to get that sweet sweet meal with tax and tip included in the menu price
OOP jokes, but I’ve went to one or two restaurants that tried to do that in the past. I deducted the pre-included tip from the optional tip, and then never went to those restaurants again
This has big “ill pay $20 if it has free shipping, but won’t pay $15 + $5 shipping” energy.
Id rather buy food from a restaurant that doesn’t need tipping and is more expensive because they pay their workers fair wage instead of a place where the workers feel like they have to do the food service equivalent of pan handling on the side of the street.
They get paid the same. One is less dehumanizing.
Leaving your wage up to a fickle customer is hell. Getting paid less because the cooks accidentally overcooked the customers steak so they felt like they werent “treated well” or some bs is ridiculous.
(The bottom half of this rant isnt aimed at you, but at tipping in general)
You both said the same thing. If tip is included in the price, then there is no need to tip additionally.
Yeah, fuck those restaurants for paying their workers a living wage! My wallet comes first!
for the cognitively impaired
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