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Just thought more people should know about this cause… CGP Grey is awesome.
Sorry to post something that should be in the you should know community… but that’s in lemmy.world which would take this down.
Please let me know if I should post this somewhere else.
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Please post stuff like this in c/Socialism from now on (linked in the sidebar)
Fun Fact: You can also use jury nullification to jail innocent people
Yeah, the video actually mentions that with a good context (slavery)
Having been on jury duty a few times in my life, it’s really difficult to be on a jury if you have strong opinions and outwardly express it.
So if you believe in jury nullification, you better look like a pushover, and be really good at keeping a poker face.
Careful, if they find your lemmy account (or any online accounts for that matter) and see comments like these, you could get a contempt of court / perjury charge.
Remember your Tor and VPN
Stay safe!
First amendment says no. Where people have been charged, it has been for influencing selected jurors and candidates, not the general public.
We could establish law requiring juries to be instructed on their power to nullify. It’s not particularly difficult.
What I mean is, they could ask you: Do you know anything about Jury Nullification?
And if you say yes, you are not gonna be selected.
And if you lie to get on Jury, boom, Perjury and Contempt of Court.
Edit: So the purposes of VPN and Tor and an anonymous Lemmy account is to hide the fact that you are lying so you can get in the Jury without them knowing that you know about Jury Nullification.
The problem is they aren’t going to ask that, since it acknowledges jury nullification exists and just by asking the question you’ll lead a non zero number of jurors to look it up, ruining the jury.
They ask “Is there anything that would prevent you from rendering a guilty verdict if there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt?”
It’s a catch-all for jury nullification as well as other things, like bigotry (i.e. “Well obviously if there’s a black victim and a white defendant I’m not voting guilty.”)
It’s not a lie. Jury nullification does not involve any sort of lying.
The judge will ask you if you can follow the law as it is written. The written law gives laypersons to use their layperson judgement to determine guilt or innocence. That’s derived from the supreme law of the land. Can you follow the supreme law of the land and exercise your judgment as a layperson?
The government is a creation of that law. That government cannot supersede the authority of the law that created it. That government cannot demand that you must exclusively follow those lesser laws that it creates. If you were to ask “Is the constitution part of the written laws I am to follow?”, the only legitimate answer is “Yes, Of course”. But, if asked, that answer will likely be followed by “You are excused with our thanks.” Fortunately, you already know the answer to that question, so you don’t need to ask it. You just need to fulfill your duty, comfortable in the understanding that your duty is as a peer of the defendant, not as an agent of the government.
Until the 6th amendment is repealed, it is not a lie to agree to follow the full law as it is written, even if the government is only willing to provide you instructions involving a small part of a lesser law.
Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army. You know what I mean?
That’s one of those statements that sound deep until you think about it for 2s.
No bacon for you
Isn’t bacon a product of oppression by an ethnic group of mammals obtained by lethal violence?
it’s also a meme: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8NrbvLe/
But why a tik tok link?
I’m aware of that.
Replying to you in an obvious reference to your style is obviously intended to create a comedic moment.
Apparently, my joke died a quick and senseless death.
Just like children in communist countries.
It’s one of those things that’s true, while also being misleading. Or maybe over simplified would be a better choice of words, I dunno.
It really doesn’t matter what system you have, even anarchy, because at some point, there’s a threat that if you don’t go along with the majority, there will be consequences.
Those consequences may or may not involve police. And the majority may all share both the same socioeconomic group (as would be the case with full, proper anarchy), and ethnicity, while still exercising the threat of the majority.
Laws are nothing more than spelling out what actions will and will not be open to action by the majority.
Even if you don’t call the grouping of people a nation, it is a de facto nation once you have a group working together in a way that restricts the actions of others. Doesn’t really matter if the group is three people sharing an entire jungle, or three roommates in an apartment, all agreements rely on both the good behavior of all parties, and the bare minimum threat of being excluded from the group.
That’s what a law is. It’s a very complicated way of saying “not in this house”. Obviously, the more people there are, the more representative the organization is (as opposed to being purely democratic, or other consensus based systems), the more distant the individual is from making those laws, but it doesn’t change that it’s all the same thing, just at different scales.
Police are, at the heart of what they represent, the people that make other people obey the majority. If that’s two roommates evicting the third by ostracism, by threat, by action, that’s still the same thing.
The exact nature of the “majority” that current police in any of the nations any of us are likely from may vary. As you said, it could well be a minority that simply hold the threat of withdrawal of funding via socioeconomic control, and thus control the police despite being a numerical minority. But that still exists as an extension of a more simple majority.
That more simple majority is the mass of people that don’t care, or want the status quo, or think they stand to gain more with the system as is, even though they aren’t actually dominant in any way.
The reason all of that matters is that we all have to understand what power we do and don’t have in order to have a hope of changing things.
Yesyes Explainy-internet-guy is bad because he made error (or possibly just interprets history in a different way), which got corrected by other Explainy-internet-guy.
Explainy-internet-guy is bad because he has principles and doesnt let anyone post garbage below their videos, which would be impossible if everyone could just post, but they turned on “paying subscribers only.”
Explainy-internet-guy is bad, because they havent uploaded a real video in over a year.
Explainy-internet-guy is bad, because they dont agree with my every minute detail of every single piece of every opinion I may have. (or the even worse version: some of my opinions, pressed onto me by white-faceless-internet-essayists, contradict some other of my opinions, which means one of then is wrong (and bad(and a monster (and literally Hitler( and should be banned(and be executed for being a monarch))))))
wow. six nested parentheses! a personal record!
by the way: /omegasarcasm
As someone who loves parentbeticals (and ellipses, asides, and similar) holy crap that hurt to read hahah
I’m gonna have to look that up.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parenthesis_(rhetoric)
Aha. I’m sorry, I was not aware of these suggestions, and am in the future probably still unable to use these in a coherent and/or consistant manner. Partly because in german the rules are just similar and just different enough for it to become excessively confusing very fast. Still fun to learn about a new thing.
(gestures toward @[email protected])
I’ll have what they’re having.
That can’t be true.
looks
Oh yeah the Rock Paper Scissors thing was well over a year ago. Just another leap in the direction of “podcaster” being first on the wiki.
Well somethymes it is less sad, when I think less. so I’m just not thinking about CGP until it is solved. :)
It’s considered perjury which is bullshit
