After years of using reddit, i finally deleted everything including my account there. Personally, i am not affected by the api prices, BUT, i couldn’t live with me supporting people, who see their userbase, moderators and creators as nothing but noise. The point i’m making? Greetings Lemmy. I joined a few days ago and i’m here to stay so cheers everyone and, hi
There’s a harsh reality of any service, regardless of type. If you aren’t the one paying for it, you aren’t the customer, you’re the product. The lurkers, commenters, posters, and mods are all part of the product to be sold to the real customers, the advertisers.
This move is like the ranchers deciding that veal will sell for a higher price, so now we’re all being shackled so that we stay tender.
This move is like the ranchers deciding that veal will sell for a higher price, so now we’re all being shackled so that we stay tender.
I actually think this is far more absurd. The situation is more like the ranchers deciding to charge rent to the cows living on the farm. We’re not just the product being sold to advertisers, we’re also content creators - building their audience to sell to advertisers. And now if I want to access reddit through a third party, they want to charge about $30/year, plus a 30% markup for the app store cut. You know it’s odd, everyone is treating this as though the app developer is being charged this insane amount, but obviously they aren’t doing anything with the data commercially, they are simply conveying the information to us. We’re ultimately the ones being asked to pay the same as a Curiosity Steam subscription - a service that actually costs money to run and license documentaries, not a fucking text based forum where users create or link out to all the content- just to access a free website in a different way.
I am aware of that as well as i am also aware of the fact that one does not have to stay anywhere. I was not trying to say anything except for that i don’t like seeing me getting fucked over or others getting fucked over, especially when the people are the ones, working for it.
in conclusion, i know that i have to pick a poison, so i prefer to pick the one i get to know the ingredients in it
Hello, welcome, I joined a few days ago as well, because of the same reasons too. What a coincidence.
Not really I know, lot of us came here from reddit because we don’t support it anymore. And that’s to be expected with latest actions reddit took exposing their greed and need for control.
Anyway each day here I see more and more content, so it seems things are going good and I love seeing it grow. So guess who’s going to stay here too. Cheers.
EDIT: Forgot to mention, this no karma currency thing is awesome.
Ah i welcome you just the same my guy. What can is say, let’s keep pumping that sweet content here and enjoy our time. I’ve been sorting things out as of late so this is just the next step to getting to what the internet once was imo. I’m happy to see this website grow too and yea, about that karma, i never really gave much of a shit about it tbh, so works for me. Hope you’ll have a pleasant night/day
Hi, i’m edd grubberman, and I came here when one of my anime subs went private. NGL I had no idea it was because WWF style royal rumble between the reddit admin vs users vs mods. kbin.social and lemmy reminds me a little of websites from back in the day. Constant 411, and 505 errors while some servers are trying to keep up. I wonder if the admin will demote the mods. I also wonder wth funny af high octane anime and popcorn movies to watch. and where the hell did I put my car keys?
The no karma thing is a great point and one I overlooked. I wonder how that difference will influence how people post and comment.
Yeah I can even understand the pressure/rush to monetize from the admin’s POV. But nothing justifies being dismissive of the mods/community that works for free to allow your business to exist, or the way they tried to accuse Apollo devs.
Well a min karma and a CAPTCHA check to filter spam was only r/mildlyinfuriating . On the subs I’d lurk in Karma was abused and farmed. My “favorite” (ironically) was temp bans because some people couldn’t and or didn’t want to read. like I said, I mostly came from reddit because some subs I was using to fix a email problem. then I found out about how weird, and psychotic haufman was, and the entire clusterfuck for going public.
kbin seems to have a karma-lite system in place
I was over Reddit when I saw the news from Christian (Apollo’s dev), then Spez’s AMA really cemented Reddit was a shit hole, then news came out that they were also laying off 90 staff members, and the final nail in the coffin for me was getting accosted by another user that I was “spreading misinformation and lying” about Reddit when I commented about supporting the black out.
The thing I hate about reddit is that your usage of the site is at the mercy of the admins. If one of them dislike you, you can get permanently banned and even ip banned. In Lemmy, unless you managed to piss off a lot of instance admins, you can’t ever truely get banned. But if you do manage to piss of a lot of Lemmy Instance admins, then maybe there’s a “you problem”.
I mean, i generally don’t see a problem with rules and moderator to make sure they won’t be broken, but reddit sure was wild at times. I think, if you’re just being yourself and use the social platform for something like, idk, being social, it won’t come ti a ban.
tl:dr I agree with you on that point and i see the way lemmy handles this, as a good thing, as freedom of speech should be a given in social platforms
One of the other big problems is name squatting, a lot of the well named subs get traffic by default as a result of their names, not their quality, which makes them impossible to replace with better subs. And unfortunately, mods tends to get more power trippy as time goes on, which means that the quality of some of the subs has gone down significantly and there’s not much you can do about it
I deleted my 13 year old account.
I just cannot support what Reddit is doing and the direction they are going.
They are now trying to restore deleted content
I mean, i saw something like that coming, but it still renders me even more spiteful towards reddit. I hope their snapshots get nuked or something like that. Thanks for the input my guy
If anyone remembers the digg wave ,this feels very much like it in reverse. Where Digg got it so so wrong is they totally dismissed the cause of the issue and then assumed it would go away.Instead the active user base just left. I think this is happening now to reddit.
Yes absolutely. Digg actually had multiple waves to reddit. I left on the first one but most left on the second.
It really feels to me a similar effect is happening
All of these platforms go through phases of decay. First the power users and top quality moderators leave. They do it for a variety of reasons. Many will be for philosophical reasons. Others will just want to find a platform that works before the changes roll out so they can get comfortable.
The second wave is mostly more power users. They move when the actual change rolls out. These are largely people who wanted to have their last hurrah and had already decided to leave. The majority though are just people who hadn’t heard about the change or who thought it wouldn’t impact them as much as it winds up doing. This wave will see an abrupt spike, and then a long swell as more people realize how the changes impact them.
The third wave is where we see the rank and file regular contributors move. This group stuck around because they just wanted to stay connected with their existing communities and for various reasons thought things would get better. Maybe they thought the platform would reverse course. Maybe they believed the platform owners promises that the changes would come with improvements later. Better first party moderation tools, accessibility improvements, better performance, better first party apps, whatever it is they were waiting for that ultimately never materializes.
The final wave is the lurkers / content consumers. These guys never cared. They just went where the content was. Now that all three prior groups are gone, wherever they went, that’s where this group goes. This was me when I realized everything on Stumbleupon was just from Reddit the previous day
Very well said! Also Stumbleupon! That’s a name I haven’t heard in a long long time! Do you remember The Nethernet too?
Hey, I couldn’t find any information about the nethernet. Care to send a link my way? (And maybe post it to a You Should Know community?)
Check Wikipedia. It has a page abouts it. Too complex too explain. Basically a cmetagame layered over webpages which died due to severe mismanagement
I do not! I think I’m gonna learn some internet history soon
It’s the circle of life…
sir, I’ll have you know I’m a lurker NOT an active user…
lol
I just completed my comment/post edit/deletion. 10+yrs removed without a trace (unless you count the wayback machine, archived dumps, etc).
Feels as good as I expected, but it was funny, the feeling of watching the edit, then deletion progress.
Long live Lemmy!
Like a new beginning, i hear ya. Nice to hear that you sacrificed a whole decade to make a point. Shows that you mean it and i welcome you to Lemmy.
Long live Lemmy!
✊🏼
Do check back tomorrow or something, to ensure it actually is removed. Many people are seeing their comments/posts come back from the dead.
The only problem is that I was planning on using reddit to transition to one of Lemmy’s instances or fediverse. For example, I’m having difficulty logging into kbin.social on mobile (but no problems on desktop). OR I can’t seem to be able to log into beehaw. There were various people helping me with these issues on reddit. But I don’t wanna log into reddit anymore after all the things the CEO has been saying.
The issues will be fixed soon. This is a huge unexpected wave and the developers weren’t exactly planning on hundreds of thousands of people migrating to their beta software overnight. But more people means more developers able to contribute to code fixes, so just keep being patient and it’ll all work out. There is a kbin app in the works currently so your issues with mobile won’t be issues long.
Thanks the black out !
I’m in exactly the same boat. I love Reddit and I love the community. I’m a mod of a couple great small subs. But the site management has broken my trust. And that means it’s time for me to ‘grow up’ and start putting serious thought into which networks I’m supporting with my participation. Decentralized is the future. ‘Big Tech’ platforms are the kiddy pool of the internet, it’s time for us as a society to swim into the deep end and take back control of our content and consumption. It’s good to be among friends :)
It is about time we take back OUR internet, as it once was OURS. I could not agree me on that part right there. Good having you put some thought into it and good having you here, so welcome to lemmy and have a pleasant stay. The future is Decentralized. The future is Open Source. The future is Ours.
It is about time we take back OUR internet, as it once was OURS.
Yes exactly!
I remember the days when ‘online community’ meant someone with a cable modem and a laptop would set up a ‘server’ with an IRC bot or a Shoutcast stream and people would gather on forums and the like. It wasn’t as slick as the Facebooks and Reddits and Twitters and all that, and it took a >90 IQ to figure out how to make it work, but it was ours. There was no billionaire owner in California deciding what you could and couldn’t do or say or post according to what his advertisers would tolerate, and no giant machine learning algorithm vacuuming up your every keystroke to show you more relevant ads.
Those were good days.
Welp, I also just deleted my 9 year old account. Extracted what I could, checked some communities for the last time, deleted what I could using Power Delete Suite and Redact, and pulled the trigger. I have learned a lot there, found some interesting niche communities, and had interesting conversations, launched a lot, but also got angry at times at the stupidity of people. Bittersweet moment, but I can’t continue supporting Reddit in any way. Fediverse, here I come!
Don’t forget Reddit is probably one of the best ways to astroturf or push a sentiment.
I would be curious if they have a back door to corporations to allow them to pay reddit to cover up stories.
It’s paaaaainfully obvious that that’s all reddit really is anymore… I know some people would disagree, but I think they tested how extreme people could get about the masks and stuff to test the influence of reddit and realized it could be used entirely for thought control.
I think the best thing for society is to move on from the platform.
It’ll happen here, too.
People forget how obvious the efforts of Correct the Record and ShareBlue were on reddit.
Part of it was understandable: Trump sucks and any alternative was preferable, and reddit as a whole skews young and Democrat. So who cares, right?
But that level of astroturfing would have rightly been called out were the politics swapped.
And it goes way beyond politics. I’m sure Marvel and Disney are sending out feelers to control discussion in reddit alternatives.
The rolling back and undeleting of comments, as well as the censorship of the feddiverse is the most egregious thing so far.
My principals align with this platform much more, and ultimately is a much more fulfilling social experience for me.
I don’t miss reddit.
Looks like we too are in the same boat here. I’ve read about them restoring deleted content and demodding moderators in order to open up the subreddits themselfs. Let’em burn.
Before you all leave Reddit, you should take your stuff with you, and then delete all posts and comments using one of the several ways to automate that.
Ideally turn them into gibberrish or some random phrase, but nothing with sense so they can’t train ai with it
Ditto. Been 7 years for me. Still figuring out kbin and lemmy. but decentralized, open source and ad free is my speed …
