• @[email protected]
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    155 hours ago

    As someone notes in the responses:

    “Congestion pricing is such a good idea everywhere there is rock solid public transit alternatives. Where there’s not, it just becomes a tax on the poor.”

    If most of the poorer and working class road users cannot shift their transport times (and typically they can’t) and then you don’t have good and affordable public transport options for them to take instead then it effectively becomes a charge that the people who can’t avoid it pay so that those with flexible lives can enjoy a smoother commute.

    Which is to say that it might well reduce congestion but the cost of doing so is lumped on those that can least afford it, rather than those that can. As with most things its a choice of who pays for what to reach the aim. I would prefer that we increase taxes on wealthier people and fund expanded and free(er) public transport with a huge increase in safe cycling routes.

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      34 hours ago

      I think it could be argued that Auckland and Wellington have decent public transport options, and they would be the most likely place to implement congestion charges.

      I wonder if you could reduce the cost of public transport using the funds raised, as an attempt to balance it.

      Free public transport would be great, better if they removed the requirement to outsource and let councils or some new government entity control it.

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        22 hours ago

        I’ve not used Auckland PT, but Wellington’s is definitely decent, probably depending on where you live. I think the trains would work better if they were faster, and thus more frequent - its probably difficult to make them much bigger given the platform lengths.

        Some areas the bus services are a bit borderline, but would work better with less private vehicles to contend with. And to make PT even better some smaller busses with dynamic routing (like is trialled in Heretaunga-Hawkes Bay) could be the missing link that makes cross network travel much better.

        The only thing is the routing algorithm would need work because up here what’s tended to happen is that they’ve kinda just become large subsidised taxis for individual or groups going point to point rather than a vehicle travelling across the network picking up & dropping off along the way.

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    33 hours ago

    Hell no, this has failed in every place it has been implemented. It doesnt stop people who need to drive at that time from driving it just makes it harder for poor people to get to work.

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      22 hours ago

      Just a small reduction in traffic can have a huge impact on congestion. Yes, it will always have some side effects, everything has in politics. The solution is not to not use traffic reduction inventives, the solution is to raise minimum wage/organize.

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        12 hours ago

        Any increase to minimum wage at least close to inflation is at least 2 years off in New Zealand so in at least the short term there would be pain to those that are already pay cheque to pay cheque.