A bill that would allow police in France to spy on suspects by remotely activating cameras, microphone including GPS of their phones has been passed.
That’s a good reason to riot.
The US federal government has been doing this since the 00’s. Snowden exposed them and the public responded with hatred towards Snowden. Unfortunately the average citizen just doesn’t seem to care.
I don’t think the majority of people KNOW what Snowden was even trying to tell them. I remember when this came out and the news media was clutching their pearls over the act of leaking information rather than discussing the contents. I’m still learning about what was contained in those leaks to this day. It is so heavily propagandized that we need a new word for it.
Now those same people are saying it’s no big deal that Donnie kept all the no-no papers.
Mostly boomers who don’t understand tech
That’s an erroneous understanding of our era. The younger generations are gods at liking and commenting on social networks, but they just don’t care about privacy. They flock like birds to litteral spyware just for a quick meme fix.
Not everything you think is wrong has to do exclusively with boomers.
I think it’s a bit of A and a bit of B. Boomers and younger gens have both embraced the rampant violation of privacy, particularly in the US.
Not public, propaganda. The public result was confusion and ultimately apathy.
Guess degoogled phones with custom OSes will soon be illegal then?
Linux and encrypted messengers too lol
If you don’t share dick pic you sent to your partner with the spooks… You go to the gulag labour camp until you redeem yourself.
Wasn’t a guy convicted on france not long ago and the deciding factor the judge used was because he used linux? WTF is going on there?
Modern hardware is likely exploitable by state actors via firmware/hardware vulnerabilities that can’t be mitigated at a software level.
Ya just look at the Intel management engine. Or the AMD platform security processor. Lot of spooky shit like secret op-codes.
We need more open source HW.
How is this even feasible on Android or iPhones? Are they going to force everyone to download Team Viewer or something?
Usually with Pegasus. And yes it works. Don’t ask about it.
[https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/18/what-is-pegasus-spyware-and-how-does-it-hack-phones](Well crap. We’re fucked then?)
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We are just as fucked as we’ve always been. Hackers use zero-day vulnerabilities. Can’t do too much about that. Any device is hackable. That became clear after Snowden, and the USA hacking irans centrifuge.
The US hacking Iran’s centrifuges would have been preventable though with careful device management as far as I understand. The worm they used, Stuxnet, didn’t come from nowhere. It either came from a USB that hadn’t been properly sanitized or their systems were connected to an external, unprotected network when they definitely should have been isolated. That’s a preventable virus and unrelated to conversations about backdoors being built into technology for governments to access.
Yup. If you can’t hack over the network, you can hack them into psychologically creating a vulnerability
People are pretty much always the weakest link when it comes to security.
Weren’t Iran’s centrifuges only hacked because they used off-the-shelf parts made in the U.S.?
We dropped a USB stick in the parking lot and they plugged the virus into the system lol
I don’t know that part would have made much difference, they were already air gapped and the NSA probably could have figured out just about any centrifuge: The hard part was delivering the payload, which was apparently delivered via a rubber ducky left in a parking lot.
Goddamn that’s scary
Can’t we even avoid that by using lineage or graphene? We’re really fucked unless we are like cybersec experts…
Wonder if Google, Apple, or SoC makera are asked or secretly mandated to leave certain backdoors in. I know mobile providers have quite a bit they can see on their end.
It’s a good thing we’re always presented with two choices for everything, like mobile OS’s, to control our choices like we’re toddlers.
They don’t really need to, the company making Pegasus is very very skilled, they however get paid for that as well, its absolutely not worth it for a normal person usually.
Mobile operators have baseband which is why we have modem isolation. And some of us can see quite a bit on our end, too.
How do you get Pegasus onto LineageOS or GrapheneOS? Especially on hardware with modem isolation?
Linux and similar Systems are harder to hack but not impossible, i cant tell more, cause i don’t know more.
From the Guardian article somebody else linked:
One of the most significant challenges that Pegasus presents to journalists and human rights defenders is the fact that the software exploits undiscovered vulnerabilities, meaning even the most security-conscious mobile phone user cannot prevent an attack.
This isn’t even wrong. What is the attack vector? They send a magic message that 0wns Signal, and then cleans up? At scale? With nobody noticing? This doesn’t happen.
A few comments, they don’t need to have a Signal vulnerability, just an OS vulnerability since that would allow access to decrypted Signal messages. In the past, there have been zero click SMS and iMessage vulnerabilities. There have also been web vulnerabilities.
The attacks are not sent at scale to avoid detection. They are used on specific dissidents and journalists.
You need to exploit an OS vulnerability or use suitable baseband processor as a backdoor, facilitated by the cellular operator. To exploit the OS or an a service on it you need a network connection. You can’t inject through an ad if there is no browser or email if there is no client.
Yes, you can spearphish but this can’t mass-target French mobile users as the article seems to claim. France isn’t North Korea, not just yet.
TIme to find out what the vulnerabilieties are and EXPOSE them in a OPEN repository.
On lineageos also just pegasus. Only thing that makes it better than stock android is that you have more chances for security patches. Dumno about graphene, it has some additional protections, but still susceptible to some vulnerabilities of android.
Same way you do with everything else: Exploits.
Everyone causally saying the government can just do it with Pegasus is ignoring the fact that Pegasus itself is an exploit. It is a hack, to breach your personal device. If I used the same methods to get into a bank’s systems it would be a violation of the law. Same if I created this software and gave it to you for the same purpose. Ask yourselves why it would be permissible to sell this software then commercially? And, why is it permissible for the government to use it to hack your own devices. Let’s not just brush over this discussion like it’s nothing.
Nobody ignores the fact that government is doing something illegal when the conversation about their rampant spying happens. You may just be late to the party. We all know it’s illegal, unethical, and immoral. It basically comes down to this:
What are you going to do about it?
We’re living in objectively dystopian times. Our government does illegal shit literally all the time and gets away with it.
What are you going to do about it?
The very least people can do is talk about it and acknowledge it’s bad.
Acceptance and normalization support the other side.
My generation has talked it to death. It’s pretty agreed upon that we’re being fucked and have very little power to stop it. Eventually you don’t have time to rehash all the heinous shit that happens because you realize there’s a constant deluge of it. Has nothing to do with “supporting the other side” lol. If reality has got you feeling insane, well, you’re on the right track.
We have everything we need to stop it, we’re just spun and poorly organized (by design).
(by design)
Bingo.
Tangential quote: We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard. -JFK
The fact that things are the way they are by design makes it harder for us to overcome them, but it should also make it abundantly clear it’s on us to do so.
I empathize with the feeling of powerlessness. And I encourage reaching past that from time to time to see where action is already taking place that only requires the slightest nudge from you to boost. Many hands make light work when those hands are pushing/pulling in the same direction.
While this news article is, apparently, not trustworthy, in general, France could demand every phone sold in the country include some kind of spyware. Many sellers already add a lot of programs by default anyway, so this would be how I image it might be implemented.
Given that 7 people were recently arrested for using privacy respecting tools like the Signal messenger and Protonmail, removing that bloatware/spyware might then be cause enough to arrest you. After all, only terrorists want to have privacy, right?
Oh my sweet summer child
The whole world is going to shit
This has been my view for quite a while.
At least they have the decency to tell you they are doing it.
In the US it took Snowden to leak this to the public that the government has been doing it for ages behind their backs.There is so much news like this coming from France lately. What is going on over there?
Huge wealth gap. Poor people are treated like shit. They’re are hungry and angry. Historically, the French are quick to protest and the rich are doing what they can to stop it. I believe we’re getting a glimpse of what is going to happen all over the world soon.
Oh yeah, the infamous starving masses of France…
LOL!
My man’s clearly not been to Paris lol
Please do explain to my clueless French self how much more you know about Paris than me?
Likely an overreaction to the current protests / social unrest / whatever you want to call it
The oppression will continue until revolt stops!
Things didn’t go very well for Ceaușescu, so I’m sure Macron won’t repeat any of the same screwups.
The oppression will continue
until revolt stops!There. Fixed it for you.
The revolt will continue.
Here is the correct version.
France, yall okay with this?
I’d say this is worth another riot.
I can’t even reconize my country values for the past few months and yet it’s only the beginning for the current government, we still have 4 years to go with Macron. Who knows what ideas they hold for the future.
Preach. The shitshow is only getting started.
A Google search for “France phone camera” only gives this posted link and dailymail.co.uk article, both of which are not really trustworthy sources, IMO.
So I’m gonna go with “this is very possibly fake news”.
Not fake. Just not really talked about in English, but it was mentioned in most French newspapers.
You got a lot of faith in google search engine chief …
Any specific reason for this?
And sensitive professions including doctors, journalists, lawyers, judges and MPs would not be legitimate targets.
Rules for thee and not for me, unsurprisingly.
This article doesn’t link to a single primary source.
I mean how are they really going to stop FOSS? They’ll ban linux and then nobody can use the internet.
They don’t care about us. We sometimes forget we techies are a tiny fraction of the people they want under their boot.
If they can’t hack you they’ll get you other ways, if they want you.
Take solace that people in France and the USA aren’t falling out of windows every other day. Yet.
Nice society we live in. All those sci fi movies was just giving ideas for the people who wants everyone to be under their boot.
We’re heading towards cyberpunk without the cool implants lmao
“Liberal left” - suuuuure
Macron isn’t left wing, even by international standards. He was an investment banker at Rothschild. La Republique En Marche is a centre or centre right party.
The road to fascist hell is paved with liberal good intentions
