I’ve seen so much confusion between the two, at first I thought it was trolls, but it’s so consistent that I’ve begun to wonder if they actually don’t understand.
Hey cow boy. Progressives are generally more educated and aware, so yes. Meanwhile, most conservatives don’t understand the difference between, for example, asylum and undocumented border crossings; or that “encounters” doesn’t mean “entries”; or that coming on a vacation visa from South Africa or eastern Europe and starting a business or doing modeling work is illegal.
Illegally immigrating and then seeking asylum afterwards is still illegal immigration. You’re just trying a hail Mary when you got caught.
And we’re aware that’s violating your visa is illegal, it’s no where near as prevalent as illegal border crossings.
How are Navajo citizens here illegally? Which country do you think they should be deported to?:
They’re here legally. It was a fuck up. When you have 7.2 million illegals to deport, there’s going to be fuck ups just due to the sheer amount of assholes.
I agree it was a fuck up. I also agree the fuck ups happened due to the sheer amount of assholes, who are not the people detained.
And if it was a fuck up, why haven’t they been released?
Should all brown people just start carrying documentation around everywhere?
Reactionaries don’t care about other people.
Even their family; they’re notorious for disowning their children for being someone different than they wanted. They treat their wives like slaves.
He’s fine with it, because it doesn’t affect him. There’s no more thought to it than that. It’s an inherently anti-social ideology.
Illegally immigrating and then seeking asylum afterwards is still illegal immigration
Asylum is legally considered part of the removal process for illegal immigrants. Assuming this occurs before they’re caught, why would you kick them out when they’re following the process?
that’s violating your visa is illegal, it’s no where near as prevalent as illegal border crossings
https://cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-visa-overstays-border-wall/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9548663/
Other way around, lower cognitive abilities are linked to conservative views.
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Native Americans? Tell me, what happened to them when millions of immigrants came?
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If they arrived at elis island they immigrated here legally.
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So Europe bad? That’s kind of racist.
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I have enjoyed being a “numbered sheep” thanks for asking. I have a nice house, cars & wonderful family, I’m living the American dream. Hopefully you can find enjoyment from life too.
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It’s worse than reddit. The devs themselves are unironically communists. I’m not joking or exaggerating, they actually called themselves communists. https://lemmy.ml/post/55143
I like the software and the libertarian bent, but my god the politics here are trash and very one-note outside of this sub.
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FOSS has a lot of leftwing advocates because it distributes the means of (software) production. The initial idea was inspired by Communism. Lemmy has a lot of FOSS people in the tech communities so you see the spillover there. You’re possibly more used to seeing the Silicon Valley type of tech people who are right wing if not anarchnocapitalists.
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The initial idea was because companies distributed the source code along with the machine code because machine code didn’t work across diverse machines. People would modify the source code to add features and send it back to the original company who would then add it in.
It was a capitalist thing, it was all voluntary. Communism is all about forcing people.
Unless you think IBM is communist.
I see your confusion, I just said FOSS and I should have said FOSS movement to be more clear. Double-checking myself shows that the FOSS orgs tend to be apolitical, so I should have instead said compatible with communist views.
You state that communism is all about forcing people, however communism is defined as a stateless classless society. How would you force people in such a situation?
IBM is most certainly capitalist, they just realized they could benefit from open source software once they fell behind MS. Being able to share development costs is still beneficial in a capitalist economy, even if you don’t privately own the end product. Just like how sharing the cost of healthcare can be beneficial for the social welfare.
Communism in practice. Communism the theory is impossible. There’s conflicts in society, what happens if a worker doesn’t want to work in communism?
IBM was doing open source in 1952, 23 years before Microsoft was founded. You should really do some background research. To get you started, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_free_and_open-source_software
Since you didn’t disagree, it sounds like we both agree that the FOSS movement is compatible with communist ideals.
Only the theory impacts the founding of the FOSS movement so communism in practice is irrelevant.
I’ve been talking about the FOSS movement this entire time, which dates to 1983. IBM only started interacting with the modern FOSS movement in a significant way in the 90s per https://www.ibm.com/opensource/story/
What an excellent question. I think most of them view it as a distinction without a difference, they don’t care at all if an migrant is legal or illegal. I think they also are subscribing to the slippery slope fallacy, assuming that those who want to deport illegals also want to have citizens deported from the country.
It’s not a theory. The current Admin’s actions have caused Navajo citizens to be detained by ICE:
What reason does ICE have to detain them if they didn’t pick them up with the intent to deport them?
As the article you shared states:
Despite possessing Certificates of Indian Blood (CIBs) and state-issued IDs, several individuals have been detained or questioned by ICE agents who do not recognize these documents as valid proof of citizenship.
I am inclined to agree with the post and what the Navajo Nation Council is asking for:
Navajo Nation Council Speaker Crystalyne Curley emphasized the immediate need for the Executive Branch to issue protocols for tribal members living off-reservation.
You’d think they would’ve already done that as a bare minimum prior to detainment efforts.
The only reason ICE agents have to doubt these documents is discrimination, especially if these are verifiable Navajo nation members.
In other words: if you’re brown, you’d better have the papers they want you to have, which are not defined.
I disagree here somewhat. Now, maybe you know more about the background of ICE and how it’s been utilized in the past, admittedly I am not. But from the outside looking in, I can’t imagine a reason why ICE would have gone into reservations looking for Native Americans. If ICE usually isn’t sicced on Native Americans, it would make sense that they don’t have a process for validating the citizenhood of these Americans (although that certainly is quite an oversight).
As far as what documentation ICE looks for, isn’t that the stuff on this list:
https://www.uscis.gov/save/current-user-agencies/commonly-used-immigration-documents
Once again, maybe they should have figured out what qualified as acceptable documentation of Navajo citizenship before detaining them for failing to provide it.
The listed immigration documents do not apply to indigenous people because they aren’t immigrants, not because they’re here illegally.
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Its a combination of Willful ignorance, cognitive dissonance, virtue signaling, and lastly, they know, they just don’t care.
Yes, though I wouldn’t necessarily say that that’s only a problem with progressives.
Immigration policy and procedures are relatively complex and the current “debate” on the topic is not very focused on enabling or supporting legal immigration (especially from conservatives).
