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I feel like his trial is just gonna be a flex from the bourgeoisie in this class war. I love the man. I understand his struggles. But he’s about to be “made an example” and I feel bad for him.
Make no mistake. This is not Republicans/Conservatives vs. Liberals/Democrats/Leftist. That’s why Luigi was so dangerous to them. What is happening is class war. And unfortunately most of the proletariat are completely unaware of what side they are even on.
Liberals and Conservatives voters alike actually think they’re on different sides. Meanwhile the capitalist class is just picking this system for scraps. They want this trial to go under the rug. Because it’s actually the only thing all working class people agree on. It’s a uniting issue that could spark a flame. And you can tell how worried they are based on media coverage. They are doing everything to make “a show” of it. From the perp walk to putting him in chains in court. It’s a flex and a narrative. But I honestly think it’s too transparent. I don’t think they see that.
Remember, there are so many more of us then there are of them. Our numbers are all they fear. There is no chance for failure when it’s 99% vs. 1%. Technology don’t matter. Security don’t matter. Their executive orders don’t matter. Numbers matter. And they are absolutely afraid of those numbers.
Not only was he illegally searched, but McDonald’s is likely engaging in illegal facial recognition based surveillance, possibly in collusion with the federal government.
No way a random McDonald’s worker could randomly point out that Mangione looks like the suspect, of which we had very few photos.
Not to mention the solitary confinement, although unfortunately, I’m not sure that’s illegal, even given the 8th amendment.
Solitary confinement is absolutely unconstitutional, but good luck convincing someone that it’s cruel and unusual if they’ve never been subject to it
Watch Murder in the First, Kevin Bacon and Christian Slater are amazing
Also, courts have repeatedly ruled that a punishment has to be both cruel and unusual to be unconstitutional. Which means that if the government just treats everyone like trash, it’s cruel but not unusual. Because the government is what decides what is unusual simply by adjusting how often it is used. If something is unusual and they want to change that, they just do it more so it’s considered usual.
Yeah, James Madison definitely made a mistake writing “and”, but also fuck the courts for that ruling.
That rat nancy parker got nothin for snitching and got fired… good riddance
Good point about the snitch. If it was an actual person, I feel like we’d all know their name by now, no matter how hard they tried to keep it under wraps.
Nancy Parker?
Mangione, 26, appeared in court wearing a green cable knit sweater over a white shirt. He was brought into the courtroom in leg and arm shackles and wearing a bulletproof vest.
Theater to make him look like a villain that people want to shoot at.
The guy he killed was someone we would grow to hate. He isn’t like JFK who was extremely popular at the time.
Allegedly. Guy doesnt even look like the pictured guy
Theater to make him look like a villain that people want to shoot at.
That, or so the DA could use him as a human shield.
Lol they said that and my first thought was, “what, is there a risk of some billionaire CEO bursting into the courtroom to exact revenge?”
His estate is rich enough to hire a hitman… Not that I think it would happen also not that I think that their precautions would prevent that…
absolutely not. The federal charges have the death penalty attached.
Remember, the rich fucks need this to end. They certainly don’t want us getting ideas. And the fastest way to do that would be to have him wind up dead before they can drag his name through the mud in a show trial. that would turn him into a martyr.
Killing this guy is a very good way to piss off a lot of poor people who like him. The rich fucks need this to end in a relatively short prison sentence
he’s gonna get eptsteined after the convictions blow over
Hey, it just takes one unhinged rich dude to not think for a second, and I can count many years of combined thoughtlessness from just one idiot alone.
At this point, Musk sending his kid into the courtroom in a bomb vest probably isn’t off the table.
You never know . When your rich and famous you can do whatever you want
He should complain that the vest is restrictive and that he can’t breathe.
Great idea, cry wolf so that people who really can’t breathe are ignored.
I mean kinda…you know Trump’s type
idk even the MAGAts like Luigi
A billionaire can afford a hit man
There could be interests making him a martyr of some kind, so CEOs will protect him.
Does the court decide that he has to wear the vest, or was that a decision by his team? I know the shackles are typically requested by the court, but my understanding is that the rest of a defendant’s wardrobe is their own decision.
Being in police custody, means they are legally responsible for his health and safety.
They can require something like a vest on those grounds.So you’re saying they have a vested interest in his health?
Yes. Luigi is an investment
Sort of, if he is hurt or dies they are responsible for it.
(I think you missed the pun)
I’ll figure it out eventually!
I’m rooting for you!
Other appearances he’s made have been sans vest. I can’t imagine that anything has changed so much in the interim that his defense would want a vest on him.
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Karen Agnifilo’s Full Speech today to Fox News:
"Luigi thanks everybody for being here today. My name is Karen Friedman Agnifilo, and I am here with Jacob Kaplan and the rest of Luigi Mangione’s legal team. My intention was not to give a press conference, not to give remarks, and not to speak outside of court because I think the most important thing is to speak IN court on the record. But since video cameras, the application for a video of today’s proceeding was denied. I thought I would give the remarks that I gave in court out here so that the people who are interested in hearing what’s happening to LM can hear what’s happening to LM. So I’m going to do my best to stick with the remarks with what was given in court.
First, I want to start by talking about the fact that LM remains in federal custody, where he is being prosecuted in pre-jurisdictions by the federal government, by NY state, and by Altoona, Pennsylvania, but he’s being held in federal custody. And the Department of Justice has refused to allow him to be in state custody despite the fact that they all agreed that the state court is going to go first. Now, this is problematic for several reasons. Number one, the federal government is still considering whether to execute Luigi and considering whether to seek the death penalty, so we’re fighting that simultaneously while going first here in state court. And it impacts our ability to meet with him before court; after court, he’s constantly surrounded by law enforcement.
He’s in shackles—he was wearing a vest today, some, uh, look like a—I don’t even know, but a very serious vest? With his legs and arms shackled. And so he’s being treated differently because he’s being held in federal custody than any other person who would be facing serious, uh, murder one charges in New York state court, and I made a record in court today that I don’t understand what this show of danger is for. When I go to visit, uh, Luigi in MDC Brooklyn, I sit with him. He is unshackled; he walks around freely in the visiting area, and we sit in a room together without law enforcement hovering over us. But for whatever reason here, despite all the law enforcement, they need him to be wearing this vest, they need him to be shackled, and they stand right over us, and we get no time to be with us.
And so he is being treated differently because of this unusual and frankly, uh, just the fact that he is being prosecuted by 3 jurisdictions for ONE event. It is all about one thing. One single event. So we object to that. We also made a record today that although the Manhattan DA’s office has been providing discovery, we are past the discovery deadline, but they have made an effort to make discovery. But what we haven’t received is the police paperwork from NYC. We haven’t received any—they call them “DD5’s,” the follow-up police reports the detectives write. I am sure there will be hundreds of them, and we have not received them yet, which is very important. We have also received the discovery regarding the arrest in the Altoona case and we’ve received a little of that previously and we are concerned that LM’s constitutional rights were violated in PA and there are serious search & seizure issues that will be illitgated in that case PA, and in this case uh, here in the federal case because it is alleged that LM had a gun on him, and other property on him that they are going to use against him and in all the cases and if there is a search and seziure issue, and again we have to review all of the paperwork and camera footage when we receive it before we say definitively whether wre think there is one, and so far we think there is a serious search and seizure issue, and so we want the opportuntity to illitgate it including in PA, where he was supposed to have a court date on February 24th, but the Dept of justice is refusing to transport him, and allow him to face the charges in PA.
So he cannot litigate those issues in PA. Which brings me to the most important point that we made today, which is LM’s right to a fair trial is being infringed upon because he is publicly treated as guilty and as having the presumption of guilt as opposed to the presumption of innocence, which is what he is entitled to. And although, of course, I understand the NYPD’s need for a press conference before an arrest or after an arrest, which they did here, I didn’t like it, but they did it, and I understood it. What I did not understand, was how shocking it was that this week, on HBO, in a documentary I see the Chief of Detectives and NYC mayor full hair and make up done, sitting down, giving an interview for TV talking about the evidence in Luigi’s case, talking about police paperwork that we don’t have, talking about forensics that we have not yet received, I guess we have now today, but I didn’t when I was sitting there learning about the case hearing an actor playing Luigi reading from a journal that they say is Luigi’s, yet we have yet to receive it from the prosecution. And so it is outrageous that they have time to go and prejudice Mr. Mangione’s ability to receive a fair trial and go out and make these statements but not give this to us, and so we are concerned because if the COD is telling everybody about all of this evidence, and what if it ultimately gets suppressed because it was an illegal search & seizure in Altoona PA, how is he going to get a fair trial? So those are a little bit more than I was allowed to say in court, but that’s the gist of it, that’s what my prepared remarks were, and, uh, hopefully we’ll allow cameras in the court going forward; if not, I will continue to provide information…"
Skip the first 1:50:00 of the video unless you like staring at doors and cops.
Whoa, I’ve heard some overblown jury pool bias arguments but appearing in a documentary and sharing evidence that hasn’t even been shared in discovery sounds pretty unacceptable. If the documentary people were able to read/view/discuss this evidence, what was the delay in getting it to the defense attorneys?
Seeing as how people who are in favor of jury nullification in this case are vastly more likely to watch such a documentary, if they then exclude any9ne who has seen it, this is a great way to decrease the odds he goes free.
Sounds to me like law enforcement know they fucked up the arrest and search, that evidence won’t be admissible in court, so they’re trying to make it public instead to prejudice not only the public but the jury pool.
Half of America would be partying in the streets if it’s found he was illegally searched and all that fruit of the poison tree ends up in the garbage.
More than half.
Everyone HATES the rich. Left right and center.
I agree with more than half. Probably. And I’m not going to be pedantic and pretend like “everyone” means literally 100% of the population.
But “everyone” is still a strong word, and we have SO many people who have been conditioned their entire lives to equate material wealth with admirable people and lives well lived. They might be jealous of the rich, but it’s the same way they might be jealous of a professional athlete or a rock star. It’s not “fuck that guy,” it’s “I want to be that guy.”
I really need a new word for it. Hate isn’t right, detest is too little, loath feels dormant… I need a word to describe the roiling plasma of rage that rests in my heart.
When anger and disgust combine, you get contempt. And while the word doesn’t sound super impactful, contempt is one of the strongest emotions, and one that is often deeply rooted in your sense of identity. Because if you hold genuine contempt for something, it’s usually because it flies in the face of your core personal values. It’s an emotion that makes it difficult to even function properly when you’re near the target of your contempt; It’s the kind of emotion that drives people to violence.
Revolutionary fervor?
Infuriated? Disgusted to the point of destruction? I mirror your sentiment, I can’t help but be so incredibly angry all the time, it’s really hard to focus or direct that energy anymore. Also love a cthulhu mythos reference, nice name.
Despise? Disgusted by? Hmmm…
Regardless of their feelings on the rich, I think you’ll find that most people aren’t ok with the murder.
Unless ofc the one being murdered is a murderer themselves … and many Americans who’ve dealt with privalized health care can attest to that being true.
I fully appreciate what you’re saying, and I’m not even saying I disagree. But most people still won’t support it.
There have been polls. He has a lot of support, but it’s definitely not more than half.
Half is still somewhere around 170 million Americans. I mean no political party in recent history has come close to having that kind of support.
It’s pretty amazing when you think about it.
Wait, isn’t this pretty similar to how the very-obvious rapist Bill Cosby ultimately got off? That strategy… that actually might work, even without jury nullification.
Also I just gotta say… NYC Mayor and “hair and makeup” in the same sentence made me laugh. I know that’s a technical term but, c’mon.
Not quite. The prosecution fucked that up by offering him immunity in exchange for testimony. Under that agreement, Cosby never should have even seen the inside of a jail cell. They absolutely should have not made that deal, but the integrity of the justice system (if such a concept exists) demanded that Cosby be released.
If they can somehow prove that the arrest or search was illegal, that’s a huge deal and will get a ton of evidence tossed or even the whole trial nullified.
If they can somehow prove that the arrest or search was illegal, that’s a huge deal and will get a ton of evidence tossed or even the whole trial nullified.
I can nearly guarantee you that one of the courts, whether the current court or a later appellant court, will weasel their way to saying that the evidence being used would have been found anyway (the second exception), and thus won’t get thrown out even if they admit to the search being illegal.
Seems like the cops planted all that evidence, not guilty
I mean, plenty of people were saying that right when he was first arrested. The dude was able to evade capture for an entire week while the entire country was on the lookout for him… He even had time to leave memeable fake breadcrumbs, like his backpack full of Monopoly money… And yet he never thought to break apart the ghost gun he used, and dispose of it in random trash cans so they’d be virtually impossible to trace back to him? He had a goddamned manifesto on him, like it was a signed confession?
Yeah, no. His arrest smells like “accidentally” disabled body cams and planted evidence.
Even if they didn’t plant it. If they fucked up the arrest and search, the evidence may not be admissible in court at all.
That would explain why they want to get anything related to it out in public any other way they can, like interviews and pseudo-documentary bullshit before even providing related materials to the defense team.
That TMZ “documentary” was fucking gross. Obvious right wing propaganda.
Or a mistrial
Nah, I’ve seen enough here, dismissed with prejudice!
Fruit of the poison tree, if they can prove it.
What does this mean?
The US has a legal concept called fruit of the poisoned tree. Basically, if evidence was obtained by cops illegally, it can’t be used against a defendant. Essentially, the prosecution can’t use fruit that they found from a poisoned tree, because the fruit is considered tainted. For instance, let’s say cops illegally search you, and find weed. If your defense lawyer can prove that the search was illegal, the evidence (your weed) gets excluded from the trial.
There are a few exceptions, like cops being able to use evidence from someone who stole it. For instance, if someone steals a laptop and then finds CSAM on it, the laptop can still be used against the person it was stolen from. Because the initial theft was illegal, but the cops weren’t the ones who stole it; They legally obtained it from the thief who reported the CSAM and turned the laptop over. But as a general rule, if cops break the law to get evidence, the evidence is thrown out.
So if they prove that Luigi was illegally searched, it potentially excludes all of the evidence they found on him, like his written manifesto and the ghost gun in his backpack.
But this trial is already a fucking sham, so I have no doubt that the courts will turn case law on its head to rule the search was legal, even if it was blatantly illegal. Cops have a lot of leeway in how they can justify a search, so the detectives can likely just say “we thought we smelled weed, so we initiated a search” to get the search ruled as legal.
I wish I could disagree with this analysis of the current state of our punishment system.
The others have already answered, but I’ll leave you with this nice summary, and a link to the best source of law info for the commonfolk in america there is.
If the search was, in fact, improperly conducted, it then would be an illegal search and seizure. At that point all evidence obtained by the search is inadmissible in court. They may have just torpedoed their case just with the search alone.
The documentary is a whole other legal can of worms that I am in no way qualified to even begin to analyze.
Why does he need a vest? This is the first thing both the left and right have agreed on in a long time.
The vest is bullet and stab resistant, they make violent offenders wear them in case somebody wants to hurt them.
Funny, because nobody wants to kill him. He is more likely to get a pat on the back than a bullet to the back.
That’s exactly the point. They’re trying to make it look like people want to kill him. So those that are just following the headlines and pictures make certain assumptions.
Billionaires who hire someone to kill him?
No they’re trying to make it look like an average Joe might be a threat to him. They are having him wear a vest for protection from a potential vigilante, which simply doesn’t exist.
Full shackles instead of just handcuffs as well. They’re trying to make it look like he’s a massive threat to everyone, when he clearly isn’t a threat to anyone that isn’t aeady a piece of shit profiting off the suffering of millions.
Protect him from the crossfire in case an acorn falls nearby.
I get that reference. Holy shit!
Hey man, a pat on the back almost killed Rudy.
That’s because he is so fragile that he melts in a warm environment, as observed.
For the record
Protection from the elite class
There’s a few billionaires in New York who might want to take a shot at him?
Actually I doubt even the rich would take a shot at him. It’d make him a martyr.
If someone did take a shot, it’d probably be a fame seeker or someone with personal connections to the CEO.
Certainly not his estranged family that didn’t even live with him. Typical CEO behavior, pursuing profit over his own family relationships. What a miserable way to live.
Didn’t realize he was estranged with his family. Not surprised to hear that tho because yeah a lot of these guys psychos/sociopaths
You didn’t notice they only had one photo of the bastard? And it looked like a corporate lobby photo?
No photos with his wife and kid. No photos of him with friends or other family. Just the one picture like he’s posing for a yearbook.
I never really looked into the guy tbh. Pretty sure I saw the wife release some statement about how shocked and sad she was and that was as deep as I got.
Exactly. A prepared statement of what is expected, then nothing else. That’s what you do when you don’t actually care, but are supposed to.
Luigi Mangione’s next scheduled court date is June 26, 2025. It is unclear if Luigi will appear for his Pennsylvania court hearings and there are currently no appearances scheduled for his federal case. If he is indicted on his federal charges, he will appear in person to be arraigned.
Fair and speedy my ass
Megathreads from the other place (sorry) with more info, livestream footage etc:
https://www.reddit.com/search/?q=luigi&type=posts&sort=top&t=day
Lemmy was oddly quiet a few hours after the trial, so I figured you’d all like to share in my rabbithole.
I kinda hope Luigi being declared guilty cause a George floyd-esque public response.
A judge could give the same sentence as Trump: nothing, because he has important work to do and can’t be bogged down by things like prison, probation, or fines. There’s precedent now.
Yep, I guess he just needs to run for President and then killing healthcare CEOs is an official act and legal, according to the Supreme Court.
AOC/Luigi 2028?
“I did what Trump does not have the balls for. I shot an executive on the street.”
Screw it, I’m down for Luigi Mangione 2028.
Oh shit that’s right! Luigi 2028 has my support. Even if all he does is seize the assets of the most notoriously unethical CEOs we’d be 1000X better off than now. Make robber barons afraid dammit.
The bar is very low:
Is he a Nazi? Is he Putin’s bitch?
No? Perfect!
