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    First a statement, so i dont get put into pro or anti anyone. I utterly hate the hamas leader who decided to sacrifice palestinians for their cause by igniting this latest bloodbath just as much a I hate the israely leaders who cheefully accepted the invitation to violently take the land. I dont give a rat’s ass about religion and strongly advocate against religion being a incentive to kill or be killed. Let people live for fuck’s sake. End of statement. (maybe I need a short motto for this)

    Now out of pure curiosity Israel tell gazaan to leave but offer no destinations, surrounding countries will not accept gazan partly out of not wishing to be destabilized and partly not wanting to help israel in the cleansing. Was westbank ever considered as a destination ? if so how was it received? It seem to me to be the least horrific solution.

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    The IAF blew up 400 men, women and children and today Netanyahu said, “this is only the beginning.”

    You can get deported from the US now for pointing that out.

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    Israel killing civilians at random probably isn’t going to help bring the average Palestinian to their side against Hamas. If they were being nice to the civilians they might actually be willing to help you.

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    If Israel and Russia can get away with it, then too the USA, and this is the ultimate goal: taking back the world to the days of “territorial conquests”.

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    Most of Palestinians are under the age of 18. Basically telling a bunch of kids he’s going to kill them.

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    Do you think there’s a 13 year old girl in Gaza who is writing a diary that will be widely read by children across the world 40-50 years from now?

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      Bombs exploding tend to hurt paper, fires tend to hurt paper, all the dust from shock waves tends to hurt paper, and bulldozers demolishing everything tend to hurt paper. If something survives that, then I still don’t think so.

      If you’ll ask why, that’s for the same reason as why nobody wrote such a comment about an Alawi or Christian girl from Tartus in the last few days\weeks, to my knowledge. The estimates are of like 30 000 dead already, it’s likely more, many civilians are hiding on the Russian bases but you wouldn’t expect Russia to protect people it vowed to protect.

      Suffering in Gaza is real, but the reason you think about it is that it’s convenient, those who suffer are Sunni, and those who kill them are of the general western alliance. It can’t be resolved who has more rights between these people, the westerners have just a bit more than Sunnis, but Sunnis have enough to cause outrage. The rest - not a beep.

      That’s because Gaza is both real and an approved propaganda narrative. And if it weren’t the latter, then who knows, maybe it weren’t the former too and Israelis would have found somebody else to bomb.

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      Well, with the way things are going, it won’t be read in the U.S.A. It’ll be banned.

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      It’s 2025, the teenagers mostly document their lives on social media. Tent life guy from Gaza got killed but there are others.

      When this empire falls and the genocide history is able to be taught then yes I think some of these video records will be studied by children around the world.

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      Maybe, but it will probably be destroyed by carpet bombing before anyone sees it.

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        It’s not carpet bombing it Ai kill list. It indiscriminately just attacks targets, they’ve been training it the whole time. Palantir is the company

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          It’s probably not them. I didn’t see anything about Gaza genocide in the impact studies section.

          /s

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      Maybe, but the IDF will definitely burn anything they find, don’t want more records of their crimes where they can avoid it

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      The Germans occupied the Netherlands during WW2 and most (non Jewish) people could still live relevantly normal lives. Israel on the other hand is destroying everybody and everything in Gaza. They don’t even have a chance to write a diary.

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        Around 250,000 Dutchmen died in WW2. A substantial part of that came from the hunger winter in 1944 when the German army took the Dutch harvest. Dutch cities were first bombed by the Germans and afterwards by the allies, and many were in complete ruins. I am saying this not to downplay what Israel does to Palestina, but the idea that most Dutch people lived relatively “normal” lives during WW2 is ridiculous.

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          I meant normal in wartime. It wasn’t just a slaughter like Israel is doing. People could still have jobs and do stuff.

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            Indeed. If with doing jobs you mean the forced labor camps that healthy men were forced into. I mean, you just don’t help the cause by downplaying the bad experiences of other countries.

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        As a new biography Dutch Girl: Audrey Hepburn and World War II, excerpted exclusively in this week’s PEOPLE, reveals, it was her experiences during Germany’s five-year occupation of Holland during World War II that truly shaped her.

        While more has come out in recent years about her war experience, Robert Matzen’s book reveals harrowing new details about how a young Hepburn battled severe malnutrition, particularly during what was known as the “Hunger Winter” of 1944-45.

        Leading up to that brutally cold winter, as Germany tightened its grip on Holland, Hepburn and her family were often forced to live in the cellar for days and weeks at a time due to bombing overhead. And food became more and more scarce.

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        Israel is doing terrible things, but it simply doesn’t compare to the atrocities of the Third Reich. Almost nothing does. It’s important we don’t downplay just how horrible the Nazi regime was.

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        “the muslims” Okay now let’s see what it would looks like if I change this word by an other one starting with a J.

        Wait…?! Why I’m getting Déjà vu…ಠ_ಠ

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    If you don’t know the legal definition of genocide or have enough information to make those logical arguments because of all the conflicting opinions from the media which are just there to confuse you—doesn’t it just feel wrong?

    Folks here already pointed out the pure logical explanation why this is genocide very skillfully. Thanks for those comments.

    Logically and in my gut this is wrong.

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    I’ll bet all the gEnoCiDe jOe folks are too busy patting themselves on the back for saving Palestine to be bothered to read into this too much.

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          In the Kamala timeline, Israel keeps genociding the Palestinians while the democrats try to do a lot of mental gymnastics to try to paint it as a good thing

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            Bro trumps team literally made a shitty AI generated “we’re going to raze Gaza and build a gold plated hotel here” commercial. If that’s not “mental gymnastics to paint genocide as a good thing” idk what to say to you.

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              Also a bad thing.

              Not sure why the moment you criticize democrats they assume you support the other side

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                Cool we both agree it’s bad, now can we agree that the dems plans of “ok i guess we’ll slightly slow down the shipment of weapons to Israel but still honor the preexisting treaties we made with them” is not the same as “we’re going to send even more weapons and turn the Gaza Strip into a gilded Trumpland.”

                As for why people come out when people people criticize dems who else can even remotely get elected into the presidency? Jill “rubs shoulders with Putin at a fancy dinner” Stein of the deeply unserious “we’re only going to run one candidate for presidency and nowhere else, it’s not like Congress has to pass legislation and the House controls the budget” Green Party? Lmao that’s a good joke.

                Whatever “imma deregulated everything and abolish age of consent” joke of a candidate of the libertarians? Lmao the solution to our problems with capitalism is even more capitalism!

                The nonexistent leftist party and their imaginary radical leftist candidate who idolized Stalin a bit too much? The jokes keep coming.

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              And this is why democrats lost and will keep losing.

              They can’t be criticized or get called out for supporting a genocide.

              It is the bare minimum. They can’t even do that. They want unconditional support and loyalty, but won’t put any effort into accomplishing anything.

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              Edit: The comment I replied to was removed, so my sarcasm seems out of place without context. I have removed that reply.

              I will instead say this: before the election I complained that there was no viable anti-genocide voting option, and before I got downvoted into oblivion I was told “well, you can’t get everything you want in politics”. I held my nose and voted Harris, thinking maybe the democrats could be pressured.

              Well here we are. The whole fuckin thing makes me want to cry.

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                  The context is your own selfish reasons and total lack of solidarity for anything outside of what affects you, even when they enable and support the most horrific acts of this century.

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          You have no moral leg to stand on. Barely any noticeable difference between you and Trump/MAGA in how you view Palestinians as subhuman.

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      Genocide Joe has already done 80% of the work.
      And there is zero reason to believe he would do anything to stop what they are doing now.
      He would blabber some words about having to watch out for civilian deaths while sending them more arms.
      His actions are 100% the same except he’s a hypocrite about it.

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      Trump is continuing democrat policy on Gaza, so yes, just another obvious proof that they are two sides of the same coin.

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      centrists are just happy that at no point did they have to reconsider their loving support for genocide.

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            …. Says the guy that somehow seems to think we’re better off with Trump than with Kamala.

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              We’re not better off under trump. I voted for harris.

              I get that you imagine all opposition to the genocide that gives your life meaning must come from trumpists, but some people actually find genocide support to be repulsive.

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                Wait, you voted for Harris?

                That’s right! You also support genocide! I forgot about that. Because all who support Harris are genocide supporters! I remember you saying that.

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                  You can vote for harris without approving of her genocide support. I mean, you didn’t. You support genocide under all circumstances.

                  You can also oppose genocide without being a trumper, which you also can’t seem to grasp.