The way they made people work for wages started at the barrel of a gun. “We take your (public) land, now you work in a factory or starve”. All the rest you think are due to Capitalism, is in fact the victories of the working class struggles, which they’ve been trying to dismantle for the past century. If anything the system resets itself to its original form.
“We take your (public) land, now you work in a factory or starve”.
Where can I read more about this?
The GP is talking about the dismantling of the Commons in England during the Industrial Revolution.
Anyway, it’s not that simple. English even got the term “tragedy of the Commons” to refer to what was happening before the dismantling. Those people still were plainly stolen, yes, but the value what was taken wasn’t that clear. Also, people were escaping the Commons into factory jobs way before they were taken.
“the tragedy of the commons” is pure propaganda to excuse theyenclosures.
Fiefdom, company town, industrial Revolution, go read about that… Workers of the early 20th century didn’t live the good life!
Fairly certain wages existed before guns.
But “end of a pointy stick” lacks gravitas.
Wages existed in feudalism, but we don’t call any system which has money and wages capitalism. For that we need that wage slavery is the primary mode of production.
Not at all. This person is only describing life/work in some of the post-WII developed world. Historically, this is the anomaly, not the norm.
For a large part of recorded history, the formula was that land/resource holders offered anyone the cheapest, lousiest, and worst acceptable conditions in exchange for work. The conditions of the resource holders also actually sucked, and when leveraging economies of scale, offers of relative physical and economic security (sure, you’ll be kinda poor, but you don’t have to travel to another town to sell grain to survive because the Lord will always buy it from you at a “fair” rate.) were typically the value add that made it worth it to consider share-cropping under nobility as opposed to simply going it alone.
I’m not sure why Reddit and Lemmy seem so hell-bent on this fantasy version of history where farming is a joy denied us by the wealthy, but its hilariously misguided. Considering where things are headed, it sounds like for many it will end up being a dangerously wrong fantasy that others can take advantage of easily, and people that post things like this will learn the lesson first hand.
I think it’s just an American thing. We’ve heavily romanticized the post war agricultural lifestyle and fall back on it as a historical default similar to the “American dream” of the same era
why use carrot when stick work
‘I got a powerful need to eat’
No, the way they got people to work was by enslaving them; then by “it’s not slavery, you just can’t leave without my permission” serfdom; then by forcing rural families to migrate to cities because mr landowner bought everything (or killed the owners), so that the factories could pay poverty level salaries; then, when workers got too riled up, by outsourcing work to wherever people were desperate enough to accept 10% of the pay.
I think you missed the part just prior to slavery where we had to work to avoid starving to death naked and alone exposed the elements.
I guess, but that wasn’t the kind of labor that made you wish for death, either yours or somebody else’s
Or rather, people have the urge to survive and will do whatever it takes.
Whether that’s the hard labor of small groups subsistence level existing, for the reward of not starving and suffering the elements. Or putting sandwiches in a bag for a one room apartment and a cell phone.
We’ve long since discarded the faggy liberal Democrat reward system with the superior punishment system. /s
We’ve gone from the reward being more happiness to the reward being less suffering.
Even that is a pretty optimistic outlook, it’s more like a slightly slower increase in suffering over time rather than any sort of net decrease as a reward.
Wage stagnating and unbalanced wealth distribution is a reward decrease, imo.
Food and roof. Two hots and a cot.
I’m just waiting for my sweet neighborhood reaper to take me home at this point.
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Anything goes
The mods disagree on this one
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Land taxes were invented to stop people relaxing
Probably because the people who relaxed would soon be murdered by a more organized group with better nutrition, numbers, or weapons.
This is because boomers now consume less, so currency needs to be debased to provide the level of consumption to increase, to match 2% inflation.
The less people consume as demographics age the more repressed the youth will be, as we lock up inelastic goods behind massive debt. It doesn’t matter how nominally rich boomers get, if they don’t consume our money supply will grow.
It’s not the boomers that are hoarding wealth and not spending it, it’s the top 0.1%
