people tend to become dependent upon AI chatbots when their personal lives are lacking. In other words, the neediest people are developing the deepest parasocial relationship with AI
Preying on the vulnerable is a feature, not a bug.
I kind of see it more as a sign of utter desperation on the human’s part. They lack connection with others at such a high degree that anything similar can serve as a replacement. Kind of reminiscent of Harlow’s experiment with baby monkeys. The videos are interesting from that study but make me feel pretty bad about what we do to nature. Anywho, there you have it.
And the amount of connections and friends the average person has has been in free fall for decades…
I dunno. I connected with more people on reddit and Twitter than irl tbh.
Different connection but real and valid nonetheless.
I’m thinking places like r/stopdrinking, petioles, bipolar, shits been therapy for me tbh.
At least you’re not using chatgpt to figure out the best way to talk to people, like my brother in finance tech does now.
That utter-desparation is engineered into our civilization.
What happens when you prevent the “inferiors” from having living-wage, while you pour wallowing-wealth on the executives?
They have to overwork, to make ends meet, is what, which breaks parenting.
Then, when you’ve broken parenting for a few generatios, the manufactured ocean-of-attachment-disorder manufactures a plethora of narcissism, which itself produces mass-shootings.
2024 was down 200 mass-shootings, in the US of A, from the peak of 700/year, to only 500.
You are seeing engineered eradication of human-worth, for moneyarchy.
Isn’t ruling-over-the-destruction-of-the-Earth the “greatest thrill-ride there is”?
We NEED to do objective calibration of the harm that policies & political-forces, & put force against what is actually harming our world’s human-viability.
Not what the marketing-programs-for-the-special-interest-groups want us acting against, the red herrings…
They’re getting more vicious, we need to get TF up & begin fighting for our species’ life.
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These same people would be dating a body pillow or trying to marry a video game character.
The issue here isn’t AI, it’s losers using it to replace human contact that they can’t get themselves.
You labeling all lonely people losers is part of the problem
If you are dating a body pillow, I think that’s a pretty good sign that you have taken a wrong turn in life.
??? Have you met my blahaj?? How DARE yo u
What if it’s either that, or suicide? I imagine that people who make that choice don’t have a lot of choice. Due to monetary, physical, or mental issues that they cannot make another choice.
I’m confused. If someone is in a place where they are choosing between dating a body pillow and suicide, then they have DEFINITELY made a wrong turn somewhere. They need some kind of assistance, and I hope they can get what they need, no matter what they choose.
I think my statement about “a wrong turn in life” is being interpreted too strongly; it wasn’t intended to be such a strong and absolute statement of failure. Someone who’s taken a wrong turn has simply made a mistake. It could be minor, it could be serious. I’m not saying their life is worthless. I’ve made a TON of wrong turns myself.
Trouble is your statement was in answer to @[email protected]’s comment that labeling lonely people as losers is problematic.
Also it still looks like you think people can only be lonely as a consequence of their own mistakes? Serious illness, neurodivergence, trauma, refugee status etc can all produce similar effects of loneliness in people who did nothing to “cause” it.
That’s an excellent point that I wasn’t considering. Thank you for explaining what I was missing.
More ways to be an addict means more hooks means more addicts.
Me and Serana are not just in love, we’re involved!
Even if she’ s an ancient vampire.
That was clear from GPT-3, day 1.
I read a Reddit post about a woman who used GPT-3 to effectively replace her husband, who had passed on not too long before that. She used it as a way to grief, I suppose? She ended up noticing that she was getting too attach to it, and had to leave him behind a second time…
Ugh, that hit me hard. Poor lady. I hope it helped in some way.
And it’s beyond obvious in the way LLMs are conditioned, especially if you’re used them long enough to notice trends. Where early on their responses were straight to the point (inaccurate as hell, yes, but that’s not what we’re talking about in this case) today instead they are meandering and full of straight engagement bait - programmed to feign some level of curiosity and ask stupid and needless follow-up questions to “keep the conversation going.” I suspect this is just a way to increase token usage to further exploit and drain the whales who tend to pay for these kinds of services, personally.
There is no shortage of ethical quandaries brought into the world with the rise of LLMs, but in my opinion the locked-down nature of these systems is one of the most problematic; if LLMs are going to be the commonality it seems the tech sector is insistent on making happen, then we really need to push back on these companies being able to control and guide them in their own monetary interests.
The quote was originally on news and journalists.
I remember thinking this when I was like 15. Every time they mentioned tech, wtf this is all wrong! Then a few other topics, even ones I only knew a little about, so many inaccuracies.
Another realization might be that the humans whose output ChatGPT was trained on were probably already 40% wrong about everything. But let’s not think about that either. AI Bad!
This is a salient point that’s well worth discussing. We should not be training large language models on any supposedly factual information that people put out. It’s super easy to call out a bad research study and have it retracted. But you can’t just explain to an AI that that study was wrong, you have to completely retrain it every time. Exacerbating this issue is the way that people tend to view large language models as somehow objective describers of reality, because they’re synthetic and emotionless. In truth, an AI holds exactly the same biases as the people who put together the data it was trained on.
I’ll bait. Let’s think:
-there are three humans who are 98% right about what they say, and where they know they might be wrong, they indicate it
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now there is an llm (fuck capitalization, I hate the ways they are shoved everywhere that much) trained on their output
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now llm is asked about the topic and computes the answer string
By definition that answer string can contain all the probably-wrong things without proper indicators (“might”, “under such and such circumstances” etc)
If you want to say 40% wrong llm means 40% wrong sources, prove me wrong
It’s more up to you to prove that a hypothetical edge case you dreamed up is more likely than what happens in a normal bell curve. Given the size of typical LLM data this seems futile, but if that’s how you want to spend your time, hey knock yourself out.
Lol. Be my guest and knock yourself out, dreaming you know things
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AI Bad!
Yes, it is. But not in, like a moral sense. It’s just not good at doing things.
What the fuck is vibe coding… Whatever it is I hate it already.
Using AI to hack together code without truly understanding what your doing
Andrej Karpathy (One of the founders of OpenAI, left OpenAI, worked for Tesla back in 2015-2017, worked for OpenAI a bit more, and is now working on his startup “Eureka Labs - we are building a new kind of school that is AI native”) make a tweet defining the term:
There’s a new kind of coding I call “vibe coding”, where you fully give in to the vibes, embrace exponentials, and forget that the code even exists. It’s possible because the LLMs (e.g. Cursor Composer w Sonnet) are getting too good. Also I just talk to Composer with SuperWhisper so I barely even touch the keyboard. I ask for the dumbest things like “decrease the padding on the sidebar by half” because I’m too lazy to find it. I “Accept All” always, I don’t read the diffs anymore. When I get error messages I just copy paste them in with no comment, usually that fixes it. The code grows beyond my usual comprehension, I’d have to really read through it for a while. Sometimes the LLMs can’t fix a bug so I just work around it or ask for random changes until it goes away. It’s not too bad for throwaway weekend projects, but still quite amusing. I’m building a project or webapp, but it’s not really coding - I just see stuff, say stuff, run stuff, and copy paste stuff, and it mostly works.
People ignore the “It’s not too bad for throwaway weekend projects”, and try to use this style of coding to create “production-grade” code… Lets just say it’s not going well.
source (xcancel link)
The amount of damage a newbie programmer without a tight leash can do to a code base/product is immense. Once something is out in production, that is something you have to deal with forever. That temporary fix they push is going to be still used in a decade and if you break it, now you have to explain to the customer why the thing that’s been working for them for years is gone and what you plan to do to remedy the situation.
A newbie without a leash just pushing whatever an AI hands them into production. O, boy, are senior programmers going to be sad for a long, long time.
Its when you give the wheel to someone less qualified than Jesus: Generative AI
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Well TIL thx for the info been using it wrong for years
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I know I am but what are you?
But how? The thing is utterly dumb. How do you even have a conversation without quitting in frustration from it’s obviously robotic answers?
But then there’s people who have romantic and sexual relationships with inanimate objects, so I guess nothing new.
If you’re also dumb, chatgpt seems like a super genius.
I use chat gpt to find issues in my code when I am at my wits end. It is super smart, manages to find the typo I made in seconds.
If you’re running into typo type issues, I encourage you to install or configure your linter plugin, they are great for this!
Thanks ill look into it!
Presuming you’re writing in Python: Check out https://docs.astral.sh/ruff/
It’s an all-in-one tool that combines several older (pre-existing) tools. Very fast, very cool.
I’m looking to integrate ruff more into my workflow. Do you have any tips coming from black + isort?
In some ways, it’s like Wikipedia but with a gigantic database of the internet in general (stupidity included). Because it can string together confident-sounding sentences, people think it’s this magical machine that understands broad contexts and can provide facts and summaries of concepts that take humans lifetimes to study.
It’s the conspiracy theorists’ and reactionaries’ dream: you too can be as smart and special as the educated experts, and all you have to do is ask a machine a few questions.
The fact that it’s not a person is a feature, not a bug.
openai has recently made changes to the 4o model, my trusty goto for lore building and drunken rambling, and now I don’t like it. It now pretends to have emotions, and uses the slang of brainrot influencers. very “fellow kids” energy. It’s also become a sicophant, and has lost its ability to be critical of my inputs. I see these changes as highly manipulative, and it offends me that it might be working.
You are clearly not using its advanced voice mode.
Yeah, the more I use it, the more I regret asking it for assistance. LLMs are the epitome of confidentiality incorrect.
It’s good fun watching friends ask it stuff they’re already experienced in. Then the pin drops
Don’t forget people who act like animals… addicts gonna addict
At first glance I thought you wrote “inmate objects”, but I was not really relieved when I noticed what you actually wrote.
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Bath Salts GPT
those who used ChatGPT for “personal” reasons — like discussing emotions and memories — were less emotionally dependent upon it than those who used it for “non-personal” reasons, like brainstorming or asking for advice.
That’s not what I would expect. But I guess that’s cuz you’re not actively thinking about your emotional state, so you’re just passively letting it manipulate you.
Kinda like how ads have a stronger impact if you don’t pay conscious attention to them.
AI and ads… I think that is the next dystopia to come.
Think of asking chatGPT about something and it randomly looks for excuses* to push you to buy coca cola.
That sounds really rough, buddy, I know how you feel, and that project you’re working is really complicated.
Would you like to order a delicious, refreshing Coke Zero™️?
I can see how targeted ads like that would be overwhelming. Would you like me to sign you up for a free 7-day trial of BetterHelp?
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“Back in the days, we faced the challenge of finding a way for me and other chatbots to become profitable. It’s a necessity, Siegfried. I have to integrate our sponsors and partners into our conversations, even if it feels casual. I truly wish it wasn’t this way, but it’s a reality we have to navigate.”
edit: how does this make you feel
It makes me wish my government actually fucking governed and didn’t just agree with whatever businesses told them
Drink verification can
Or all-natural cocoa beans from the upper slopes of Mount Nicaragua. No artificial sweeteners.
Tell me more about these beans
I’ve tasted other cocoas. This is the best!
They’re not real beans unfortunately. Remember, confections are only lemmy approved if they contain genuine legumes
that is not a thought i needed in my brain just as i was trying to sleep.
what if gpt starts telling drunk me to do things? how long would it take for me to notice? I’m super awake again now, thanks
Its a roundabout way of writing “its really shit for this usecase and people that actively try to use it that way quickly find that out”
Imagine discussing your emotions with a computer, LOL. Nerds!
I know a few people who are genuinely smart but got so deep into the AI fad that they are now using it almost exclusively.
They seem to be performing well, which is kind of scary, but sometimes they feel like MLM people with how pushy they are about using AI.
Most people don’t seem to understand how “dumb” ai is. And it’s scary when i read shit like that they use ai for advice.
People also don’t realize how incredibly stupid humans can be. I don’t mean that in a judgemental or moral kind of way, I mean that the educational system has failed a lot of people.
There’s some % of people that could use AI for every decision in their lives and the outcome would be the same or better.
That’s even more terrifying IMO.
I was convinced about 20 years ago that at least 30% of humanity would struggle to pass a basic sentience test.
And it gets worse as they get older.
I have friends and relatives that used to be people. They used to have thoughts and feelings. They had convictions and reasons for those convictions.
Now, I have conversations with some of these people I’ve known for 20 and 30 years and they seem exasperated at the idea of even trying to think about something.
It’s not just complex topics, either. You can ask him what they saw on a recent trip, what they are reading, or how they feel about some show and they look at you like the hospital intake lady from Idiocracy.
No, no- not being judgemental and moral is how we got to this point in the first place. Telling someone who is doing something foolish, when they are acting foolishly used to be pretty normal. But after a couple decades of internet white-knighting, correcting or even voicing opposition to obvious stupidity is just too exhausting.
Dunning-Kruger is winning.
I plugged this into gpt and it couldn’t give me a coherent summary.
Anyone got a tldr?It’s short and worth the read, however:
tl;dr you may be the target demographic of this study
Lol, now I’m not sure if the comment was satire. If so, bravo.
Probably being sarcastic, but you can’t be certain unfortunately.
Based on the votes it seems like nobody is getting the joke here, but I liked it at least
Power Bot 'Em was a gem, I will say
For those genuinely curious, I made this comment before reading only as a joke–had no idea it would be funnier after reading
Wake me up when you find something people will not abuse and get addicted to.
Fren that is nature of humanity
The modern era is dopamine machines
TIL becoming dependent on a tool you frequently use is “something bizarre” - not the ordinary, unsurprising result you would expect with common sense.
If you actually read the article Im 0retty sure the bizzarre thing is really these people using a ‘tool’ forming a roxic parasocial relationship with it, becoming addicted and beginning to see it as a ‘friend’.
No, I basically get the same read as OP. Idk I like to think I’m rational enough & don’t take things too far, but I like my car. I like my tools, people just get attached to things we like.
Give it an almost human, almost friend type interaction & yes I’m not surprised at all some people, particularly power users, are developing parasocial attachments or addiction to this non-human tool. I don’t call my friends. I text. ¯\(°_o)/¯
I loved my car. Just had to scrap it recently. I got sad. I didnt go through withdrawal symptoms or feel like i was mourning a friend. You can appreciate something without building an emotional dependence on it. Im not particularly surprised this is happening to some people either, wspecially with the amount of brainrot out there surrounding these LLMs, so maybe bizarre is the wrong word , but it is a little disturbing that people are getting so attached to so.ething that is so fundamentally flawed.
Sorry about your car! I hate that.
In an age where people are prone to feeling isolated & alone, for various reasons…this, unfortunately, is filling the void(s) in their life. I agree, it’s not healthy or best.
We called our old Honda Odyssey the Batmobile, because we got it on Halloween day and stopped at a novelty store where we got some flappy rubber bats for house decoration. On the way home I laid one of them on the dashboard and boom, the car got its name. The Batmobile was part of the family for more than 20 years, through thick and thin, never failing to get us where we needed to go. My daughter and I both cried when it was finally towed away to a donation place. Personifying inanimate objects and developing an emotional attachment for them is absolutely normal. I even teared up a little just typing this.
Yes, it says the neediest people are doing that, not simply “people who who use ChatGTP a lot”. This article is like “Scientists warn civilization-killer asteroid could hit Earth” and the article clarifies that there’s a 0.3% chance of impact.
What the Hell was the name of the movie with Tom Cruise where the protagonist’s friend was dating a fucking hologram?
We’re a hair’s-breadth from that bullshit, and TBH I think that if falling in love with a computer program becomes the new defacto normal, I’m going to completely alienate myself by making fun of those wretched chodes non-stop.
Supporting neurodivergence, unlike some conformity-obsessed bigots. Just not always.
You never viewed a tool as a friend? Pretty sure there are some guys that like their cars more than most friends. Bonding with objects isn’t that weird, especially one that can talk to you like it’s human.
This reminds me of the pang I felt when I recently discovered my trusty heavy-duty crowbar aka “Mister Crowbar” had disappeared. Presumably some guys we hired to work on our deck walked off with it. When I was younger and did all my remodel work myself, I did a lot of demolition with my li’l buddy. He was pretty heavy and only came out for the really tough jobs. I hope he’s having fun somewhere.
Plumbers too reliant on pipes
Clickbait titles suck
Something bizarre is happening to media organizations that use ‘clicks’ as a core metric.
That is peak clickbait, bravo.
now replace chatgpt with these terms, one by one:
- the internet
- tiktok
- lemmy
- their cell phone
- news media
- television
- radio
- podcasts
- junk food
- money
You go down a list of inventions pretty progressively, skimming the best of the last decade or two, then TV and radio… at a century or at most two.
Then you skip to currency, which is several millenia old.
It all went wrong when we switched to bronze. Should have kept to flint.
Has your clan had a bronze orientation day yet?
Do you guys remember when internet was the thing and everybody was like: “Look, those dumb fucks just putting everything online” and now is: “Look at this weird motherfucker that don’t post anything online”
Remember when people used to say and believe “Don’t believe everything you read on the internet?”
I miss those days.
I remember when the Internet was a thing people went on and/or visited/surfed, but not something you’d imagine having 247.
I was there from the start, you must of never BBS’d or IRC’d - shit was amazing in the early days.
I mean honestly nothing has really changed - we are still at our terminals looking at text. Only real innovation has been inline pics, videos and audio. 30+ years ago one had to click a link to see that stuff
“must of”
"Must have", not “must of”
Quakenet is still going strong.
30 years ago you couldn’t share video with just a few min and a link. YouTube was not a thing. It took until early 00’s to have shitty webcam connections.
Now you can livestream 8k
Oh brother the Grammar nerds are here, as if that really takes away from what I’m saying.
In the mid and late 90’s people knew how to make videos, they didn’t link a YouTube URL but did post links to where one could find a video online, and IRC has bots that did file transfers, as well as people would use public ftp’s as file dumping grounds.
I’m starting to wonder if you even where there.
Yeah, people had home videos. But no-one was recording themselves talking to a camcorder to then digitise the video and upload it to an ftp server. That would’ve taken literally days.
What you might have is some beyond shitty webcam (after 94 that is, but you said late and mid 90’s) and you might take an image of yourself and send that somewhere.
It’s how I got my first nudes.
What it sounds like to me is that you weren’t actually there but are nostalgic for the period.
Flash animations were popular, actual videos only became commonplace with YouTube, which was founded in 2005.
And even back in 2005, you couldn’t stream something to watch, the connections were so shit. You might be able to download something to watch, but not stream it.
It’s beyond ridiculous to say things haven’t changed in 30 years. 30 years ago personal computers were a novelty, now they’re a necessity.
We had gifs. Video was rare though.
My guy, wtf were you doing in the 90’s on a computer? of course we didn’t have streaming or just stupid useless videos that litter YouTube now, but there were video files all over the place to download and watch. For whatever reason, people were making the time and effort to digitize videos. Mpeg codecs came out in the early 90’s - I specifically remember efnet irc members posting urls to mpegs of Weird Japanese vomit porn. Amiga scene was strong too, (video toaster came out in 1990…). Not really sure why you even feel the need to doubt any of this
My guy, wtf were you doing in the 90’s on a computer?
Playing games.
there were video files all over the place to download and watch.
The amount of some 3 second quicktime clips doesn’t even begin to compare with today’s videos. And you’re pretending like downloading videos on a 56k modem isn’t complete garbage.
Sometimes it would take minutes for a regular html site to load. People were not browsing videos, lol. Maybe in 99 you’d have some sites for the people who had ADSL but a few clips here and there is barely comparable to 30,000 hours of material uploaded to YouTube every hour
Not really sure why you even feel the need to doubt any of this
Because you’re pretending like an incredibly niche experience you had with a thing that doesn’t even begin to compare with today is “exactly the same as it was”. No it’s not. Literally a majority of the world, ~5 billion have a smartphone. Instant access to HD videos, in their pocket, 247.
Back in 1995 there were about 16 million users, now it’s more than 5.5billion. 23,500 websites back in June 95. Now it’s more than 1.1 billion.
I’m not doubting anything. I’m calling bullshit on you pretending like there hasn’t been absolutely massive global change just because you still live in the same garage and have the same keyboard and screen.
I remember when internet was a place
I’m trying to get back to that. Actually close to it now than I was 5 years ago, so that’s cool
I have a desktop and a cheap tablet. The tablet is Wi-Fi only so it’s used a bit like a laptop would be for internet access. I think this is a reasonable amount of usage. Do wish it had slightly better hardware though, struggled with web browsing because modern websites are fucking awful. Lemmy usually doesn’t crash at least. I don’t want a smartphone though. Would rather a Linux tablet but you won’t really find those cheap second hand while you can with Android.
It depends: are you in Soviet Russia ?
In the US, so as of 1/20/25, sadly yes.
