• burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world
    29·
    16 days ago

    i don’t want any section 31 stuff because the very concept of a rogue black ops terror group being necessary to maintain a peaceful galactic society goes against everything i enjoy about star trek

    • VindictiveJudge@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      15 days ago

      And DS9, which introduced the concept, concluded they were the bad guys and that S31 made things worse on the whole. The dark and gritty Trek that deconstructs the franchise as a whole and the Federation in particular still decided that Section 31 was a bad idea.

      On top of that, every show after DS9 completely fails to understand that S31 was supposed to be a conspiracy, not an actual branch of Starfleet. The bit of the charter they cite to justify themselves requires some pretty significant mental gymnastics to make work, and it most certainly doesn’t literally sketch out a whole branch of Starfleet. It’s clearly there for things like when you have to violate time travel laws to pick up whales from the past to keep Earth from getting blown up, or when you have to direct a universe destroying anomaly to a specific universe so that your transporter duplicate can fix it before it destroys other universes. Those are extraordinary threats. The stuff S31 typically concerns itself with, like Romulans scheming against everyone, are ordinary threats that regulations already cover.

  • MudMan@fedia.io
    24·
    16 days ago

    Did we want a Section 31 movie?

    The whole concept is a mistake. People are really way too cool with DS9 being a revisionist Trek thing. Maybe I’m just old enough to have thought it was missing the point at the time and now it’s been grandfathered in.

    The movie was also pretty bad, though.

    • Samskara@sh.itjust.works
      10·
      16 days ago

      I wanted a cool spy story with intrigue, covert infiltration, and such. Instead I got some silly Marvel knock off with fire everywhere.

  • Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world
    16·
    15 days ago

    S31 works when it’s a rarely seen clandestine group of a handful of individuals working in the shadows.

    Not when they’re a moderately known branch of starfleet with the subtly of a 2x4 to the face

  • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
    8·
    15 days ago

    I really don’t understand what they were trying to accomplish with this film

    It felt more like a fanfic film put together by some really good production people with just barely enough of a budget to put things together

    It tries to be slapstick, serious, funny and dark all at the same time while never really pulling off any of those things.

    There were also many elements and moments where I felt like I was watching the latest Star Wars movies or TV series … even the ending felt like it was lifted from Star Wars:Return of the Jedi with the death and redemption scene of Darth Vader.

    I love Star Trek for the original Scifi writing and imagination that came out of some great minds that wanted to imagine a future full of strange unusual things, ideas, events, situations and forced us all to look at ourselves and our own civilization and what we are doing … not a bunch of flashy lights, war, fighting and good guy/bad guy crap with fancy martial arts fighting. I get all that stuff elsewhere where it is done better, funnier, darker and more serious in other films.