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Both had a VP named Tim. Need to run a third trial where a safe white man runs with a VP candidate with the name Tim to confirm that isn’t the issue.
The issue I see with those 2 is no one wanted Hillary, and she basically bought off the DNC to get the nomination. Kamala was thrown into the race way too late. Joe should’ve said right away he wasn’t looking for a 2nd term and immediately start pushing Kamala.
Democratic leadership just shoots themselves in the foot, and then blames voters.