A district judge in Wisconsin has sided with an 11-year-old trans girl over her use of the girls’ toilets and temporarily blocked school officials from preventing her access.
Good! Republicans need to get over their obsession with trans children’s genitals.
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As a father of two elementary school aged girls, I can tell you that they don’t give a shit. They would rather be supportive of their friend. People who insist on perpetuating outdated concepts of gender roles and modesty are on the wrong side of history.
It is good your daughter’s are good with this. Would be nice if everyone was. But do you think all the girls or even the majority are comfortable that need to use same bathroom if they know someone might be biological male?
When I’m using the restroom, the last thing I care about is which genitals the person in the other stall has. Why would this be a concern?
Honest question, if this is the take why do transgender people need to use the opposite sex bathroom? Why does it matter?
I’m not transgender, so you probably should ask them.
What I do know is that this is a major issue for them, to the point where some of them develop bladder issues from avoiding the restroom out of fear of being bullied. When people tell me that something is causing them to suffer, I tend to believe them, unless there’s some compelling evidence otherwise.
When I was in college, I knew a transman. One day, I walked into the men’s restroom as he was walking out, and one of the other men in the restroom turned to his friend and said, “What’s she doing in here?” (Meaning the transman.) Now imagine if you had to deal with the possibility of being bullied that way (or worse!) every time you wanted to use the restroom.
Preface: am not trans, but have thought about and read many things from transppl about everything going on in their heads bc its still sth i struggle with
This will also vary based on the individual, and there’s probably at least one transperson out there that doesn’t care. But for those that do, I’d think it comes down to it being one more aspect where they’re put into a box they really don’t feel like they belong in. Something that on its own would likely not be a big deal, but if you’re already trying to 1) get away from everything your birth sex has confined you to and 2) try to feel as close to your actual gender as possible in every day life, it can make a difference.
Really I’m just confused why bathrooms are gender seperated in the first place though, we have stalls for a reason?
Some girls have a problem with it. Should we ignore their concerns? I wish everyone had no issues at all like you. If that was the case we could just build single coed bathrooms. Possibly that is what we should do from an early age. Get rid of the male/female bathroom entirely so that it is normal to all use the same bathroom and gender identity would no longer matter.
Some girls have a problem with it. Should we ignore their concerns?
Yes. The concerns of transphobes (and other bigots) should be ignored.
So if you oppose your automatically a phobe. Got it.
Yes, we should ignore them. Just like we ignore homophobes that have a problem sharing with gays, or racists that have a problem sharing with back people.
Some people have a problem with using the same bathroom a black person uses. Should we care?
N=2
I am speaking anecdotally, but in my daily interactions at my kids daycamp, my kids views are pretty much on par with the rest of their peers. There’s a boy at their daycamp who likes to wear dresses. He’s treated no differently than any of the other kids. They have unisex bathrooms because the ratio of girls to boys is out of whack, so it makes more sense.
My point is that kids today don’t care. They don’t have the same hangups that we were raised with. And why should they?
My boys (19 and 16) are the same way. If “John” comes out to them and says that they prefer being called “Jane,” my boys immediately accept it completely and start calling her with the correct name and pronouns.
My boys regard trans (or any other facet of LGBTQ) as the same level of information regarding a person as “they have black hair” or “they have blue eyes.” It’s a basic fact about them, but not a reason to judge the person.
Now, if the person acts like a jerk, then my boys will definitely judge them.
Is actually love to see a survey of different age groups and see how much they care about this, but this sort of feedback is neither constructive nor useful.
Your thought is valid.
But what I wanted to tell you is that based upon my kids, their friends, and other people’s kids that I know and talk to - very VERY few of them give a single fuck about this sort of thing. Like surprisingly few.
It’s refreshing, because it’s truly no big deal.
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and even though he’s my friend and I’m the first person he came out to it still feels weird when he walks into the bathroom with me.
That’s a you problem, and it’s up to you to get over.
Your problem is “My way or the highway”
It’s called human rights. You can either accept them, or move to a country that does not value them.
Unless your are a Female
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The majority of people think your transphobia is disgusting and not something we want perpetuated. It’s a myth to think your way of thinking is anything normal. Most people don’t think about other people’s genitals as much as you do. We just go pee and never give other people any thought.
Please change your path before you’re too far gone.
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For someone with Uncle Iroh as your username, you sure aren’t as understanding as your namesake. I think you’re more like Zuko at the beginning of his journey; only thinking about himself and his needs.
Imagine being so triggered by someone using a stall near you. As a man, I wouldn’t care if a woman came into the gents and used a stall. Why would I care? Anyone in the bathroom is there to do their business and get out, not to look at your little fella.
Isn’t this just an argument against your point of view? Most people I’ve ever talked to don’t care as long as the trans individual is minding their own business, why should the majority conform to a very small minority who is uncomfortable? Your argument is the same one made to support segregated bathrooms.
All that’s being asked is that people mind their business in public restrooms. See someone who looks a little different? Cool, wash your hands and leave. If a trans person is being a creep in a bathroom, kick them out the same way you would kick out anyone else being a creep. The other 99.9% of the time, just mind your own business and let people pee and wash their hands in peace.
Would you be okay with a man using the women’s bathroom if he isn’t trans?
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Alright, you lost me.
You don’t have to conform. You have to learn that it makes no difference at all.
Shame you’re besmirching the name of Uncle Iroh. He would calmly pour some tea and tell you, “How odd, in that situation, that it is you who needs to grow a pair.”
how uncle iroh('s voice actor) actually responds to transphobes:
I read that in his voice
I don’t see any detriment to giving trans people their own space where they can be comfortable and let everyone else be comfortable too
I am confident you don’t realize the full implications of what you’re saying, so please don’t take this as an attack, but would you also support “black only” restrooms for this exact same reason? If not, why not?
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Why do either matter in the bathroom? How does the sex of someone else change how you pee or poop?
There are already laws in place to prevent people from harassing others in the bathroom, regardless of sex. I just don’t understand. There are SO many contradictions in the belief that banning trans people from the bathroom of their choosing is even worth discussion.
Are you worried about girls and women being uncomfortable in the bathroom around someone who looks like a guy? Ok, so if a ban is in place, they now have to share the bathroom with trans men who look a hell of a lot more like a guy than a trans woman.
Is it about preventing people who may be attracted to others from sharing space in the bathroom? First, gross, it’s a bathroom; only pervs go looking for any kind of sexual gratification there (and again, there’s already laws that cover this). Second, gay people exist, so it’s kind of a moot point to ban trans people.
It just seems like any concern used to justify a trans bathroom ban would still exist even if a ban was in place. I mean, unless of course the only concern is “trans people have too many rights in our society” in which case, kindly, fuck right off.
and it’s worth mentioning that there is no genital check before entering a bathroom. An “anti-trans bathroom” law would likely also get wielded against masculine women and effeminate men who are not transgender.
None of it makes any sense when you take 30 seconds to consider it.
Yeah, laws already cover all the bases. Thats why I think the entire idea of not letting trans people use their bathroom of choice is derogatory.
it still feels weird when he walks into the bathroom with me
Are they? What if someone still feels weird when a Black person walks into the bathroom with them? Should we take that person’s feeling into account and simply give Black people their own space where they can be comfortable and let everyone else be comfortable too?
If no: why not?
Racism and transphobia are 2 completely comparable things.
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Elaborate? In what way are they so different that they wouldn’t also apply for the comment I quoted?
I think the point is that the kids don’t care and the only people complaining are the adults who don’t feel completely comfortable.
I have a friend who’s son is transitioning, not a single of the kids at his school give a single shit. Even more so they say things to their parents like, “how can you be so binary” and such like. The kids don’t care it’s the parents who are uncomfortable and projecting it unto the kids.
Bullies would. But not so much because they’re transphobic, but because they just look for anything that could be a soft spot to abuse.
You know what happens when I’m uncomfortable about something? I try and look at why. If I feel that the reasons are because of my own personal insecurities and triggers, I try and deconstruct them and find reasons and solutions to them. What I don’t do is project those insecurities on others, and force them to conform to my point of view.
Hell yeah, well said.
You don’t see a problem with needing to build a 3rd bathroom in every place that only has 2 bathrooms, and would single out those who use it as an “other” to anyone seeing them use it?
Build a 3rd bathroom is still a hilarious take to me. No the solve is Female only and Unisex. That way you don’t need to build anything.
and even though he’s my friend and I’m the first person he came out to it still feels weird when he walks into the bathroom with me.
Why? What kind of “weird”?
Fr 💀 does he think his friend is going to sexually assault him? His mindset proves he has a huge lack of respect for his friend.
I wonder if his friend knows how he feels. I feel bad for him. Imagine the first person you’re comfortable opening up to feeling this way.
I bet his friend doesn’t exist
It sounds suspiciously like “I have a black friend” and that black friend is a white guy who did blackface once
Stop looking at your friends genitals in the bathroom. Problem solved. Fuck your comfort, no one cares about your feelings. Let people use the bathroom for fucks sake.
“That’s a small sample size. Here’s my anecdote with an even smaller sample size!”
I don’t see any detriment to giving trans people their own space where they can be comfortable and let everyone else be comfortable too.
They don’t want to feel different and “other” though, which a separate bathroom would absolutely do. The kids don’t care, the kids don’t have your old school hangups. So let’s not breed new hangups, let’s let the old ones die.
As to sports, we get to decide how things are organized. Sports rules aren’t handed down from on high. We can change the sorting of genders to make it fair and inclusive. We can experiment with different ways of sorting until we find that correct balance. We don’t have to cling to the old ways just because it’s what we’re uses to.
My teenage kid said, when presented with an lgbtq+ issue, “That’s a your generations problem. Grow up.”
the kids are all right
Cool. I hope you don’t misconstrue that to think that it happens everywhere.
So you think we should ignore the concerns of less confident girls and boys that are uncomfortable with it?
I think that transphobia should be addressed, but not by taking away rights from trans people.
Please just either go back to reddit or go outside and get a social life
The kids don’t give a fuck. It’s the backwards parents who can’t get their mind out of the dark ages that are ‘uncomfortable’.
Can u honestly imagine being incensed by a fellow human being going to the bathroom? It’s ludicrous.
Wouldn’t it be choosing the bathroom?
I don’t think people would be ‘incensed’ if this person went to the boy’s room.
No, instead they would be like “Why is this girl in the boys’ bathroom”.
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lol
Something separate, but equal?
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Alexa, define “segregation”
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Tbh this segregation is also stupid as well, it’s completely possible to make non-gendered bathrooms that are safe spaces. High traffic areas with to the floor stalls that are basically rooms are the best option. Low traffic areas are the issue however. But segregation is overall pretty ridiculous even for bathrooms, and implies a failure of our culture to minimize predators.
There have to be millions of restaurants, cafes and other places that already have unisex bathrooms, and apparently that’s never been a problem. Weird, huh?
Exactly. The Red Rocks Amphitheater in Colorado does exactly this and it makes so much sense. Also by far the nicest bathrooms I’ve ever seen at a concert venue
Yes, but that’s not an option here, because in response to a suggestion that she use a non-gendered bathroom ‘she had suffered “emotional distress and mental-health effects, including thoughts of self-harm, nightmares, embarrassment, social isolation and stigma, and lowered self-esteem”’ That’s copied directly from the article.
Non-gendered bathrooms would appear to be the ultimate solution here, so obvs this girl’s going to be majorly traumatised every time she needs a wazz in that setup.
Because most of them are happy to use one of the existing options you’ve already mentioned, it is people like you who have the problem, so why shouldn’t you be the ones to be segregated?
Why do you want to other trans people?
There’s alot of other ways you could have divided bathroom use but you ignored race, occupation, sexual orientation, housing status, handedness, whether they support the Yanks or the Mets, if-or-not they wear flip flops, number 1 or number 2, time since their last covid test, attractiveness, their tact when sniffed, and dick size.
Could have segregated bathrooms by any the above categories but you chose to suggest a bathroom for (presumably cisgender) Man, a bathroom for (presumably cisgender) Women, and an “Other” bathroom occupied by people who are not just not men and not women (whose absence of a space “for” them is a salient if side point) but people who very much fit within the binary categories “Man” and “Woman” but you still want separate, with the odd, ends, and enbys, from the Cis People bathroom.
Think about why it is you want a “Cis People Bathroom”.
Don’t even think about the invasion of genital privacy or general propriety required to effect the border you wish to erect.Think about why this is a thing you want.
Why you want people, who have genders—which are every bit as real as yours—, to have to expel the semi-solid remains of food and wastes and toxins filtered from their blood in a separate room from you.
What is it about these people that makes their shit stink more (or less) enough to warrant their doing so separately?Surely it’s not as simple as “Their gender turned out differently than a 13-second-old genital exam told them that it should, for which they need be punished.”
Respect if that’s it. “Fuck Trans People.” Not the way I’d go with things, but it’s an ethos.
I don’t think that’s it, though.
You seem nice enough I doubt naked bigotry compels your actions.
You seem well-informed enough—further—to know just how expensive a “fuck you” a third for every second bathroom would be just to keep a percentage point the populace apart 'pon poop and piss.So if it’s not naked bigotry, and it wouldn’t be very effective bigotry even if it was, what is it that makes you think trans people need to not be around people who aren’t trans during the 15/1440 minutes a day the average ass spends on a toilet?
You and I both know they have no answer.
Why should we? Because they make you uncomfortable?
Why should we legislate what other people do based on your discomfort? They’re not trying to change the way you live your life, they’re not getting in your face by using a bathroom (unless you’re blocking their path for some reason), they’re just trying to live their life to the best of their ability. Why is that so discomforting for you?
Stalls are already “segregated.” Who cares if you have to wash your hands next to someone who looks a little different?
So who cares if I as a man go into a girls’ bathroom?
Because trans people are not a third, distinct gender. They are male or female.
Not all of them.
Should make sure to have separate drinking fountains, too, just to be safe.
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So did the people who made Jim Crow laws.
Holy shit, you’re not being sarcastic? Why? What is your logic?
You have to be trolling at this point, he alley-ooped it and you dunked the on yourself 💀
They’re dense enough to be considered a singularity at this point.
They’re 100% a Dutch troll and should be properly ignored by the majority in here. Like someone else said, such a disappointment given the username.
Yeah, either really confused and ignorant or just trolling. Either way, fuck that guy.
Woosh
do you hear yourself right now?!
The 11 year old girl the judge sided with is one of the “little girls being uncomfortable with it”.
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Let’s not advocate for vote manipulation.
Can you really say that was advocating?
I didn’t Nathaniel Demerest anyone into wishing they could do things.
I just told a person how they could do a thing they’re already expressed a wish to do.“I just told them a good place to rob and gave them a gun to do it, officer, I didn’t do anything wrong!”
Lol, good one.
This discomfort usually comes up if you expect a trans kid (most likely trans girl) to show their genitals (usually a dick) to you or your kids. That does not happen. This is what conservatives want you to think though when they ban trans kids (or even trans people of all ages) from using the toilet matching their gender.
This doesn’t happen because most of the time trans people are not comfortable with their genitals anyway. But even if they are: They don’t show their genitals because they want to take a dump in the toilet.
Besides: I find the confidence of conservatives truly remarkable that they think that a trans woman will go around and show them their dick. Conservatism is not sexy for us at all, nevermind sexy enough that we get naked on the spot.
You know what is sexy enough to make us undress on the spot? Consent! There’s nothing more sexy than a consenting partner!
Also what dismalnow said.
It’s about the discomfort of adults who don’t want to think about things that are different than what they learned is “normal” when they were growing up.
11 year olds aren’t generally the ones giving that many fucks. Remember that most boys have only just entered puberty by that age, literally no one reasonable is expecting the bag of hormones that is, say, a 16 year old.
I’m honestly really fucking disappointed someone would take the username uncle_iroh and just use it to be a malignant cunt.
completely off-topic but even with all his good qualities, Iroh was actually kinda sexist and probably contributed a great deal to Azula’s aggression and compulsion to prove herself as a worthy successor to the throne of the fire nation.
In what fucking world do you live in where anything he just said would justify being a “malignant cunt”. Happy to see this place is just reddit 2.0.
I agree actually. I’m hoping they’re just misguided.
If you dont like it you could always leave instead of being a lil bitch about it.
So you’re just a cunt. Glad we cleared that up.
I work with kids. They only give a fuck about shit like this if their parents make a huge deal about it. Trust me, they do not fucking care otherwise.
I’m a cisgender male and would much rather take a shit in a stall next to a dude with a pussy and a beard than take a piss at a urinal next to a woman with a dick, and I think women would probably rather take a piss next to someone who looks like a woman than next to someone who looks like a man. As long as the transgender person in question is dressed as their identified gender then I highly doubt any reasonable person will give a shit about their presence in the bathroom, unless women like to inspect eachother’s genitals in there or something.
Exactly what is dressed as their gender require? Are you suggesting transgender girl has to wear a dress or makeup or some defining cloth? If she decides to come to school in jeans and button shirt she must use the boys bathroom that day?
Exactly what is dressed as their gender require?
That they dress how you’d expect their gender to dress
Are you suggesting transgender girl has to wear a dress or makeup or some defining cloth?
As long as women look like women and men look like men in the bathrooms, I won’t bat an eye
If she decides to come to school in jeans and button shirt she must use the boys bathroom that day?
This ain’t 1953, women are allowed to wear jeans and shirts now. I just don’t wanna take a piss next to someone who looks like a woman, is that too much to ask?
Again what exactly makes a women look like a women? What exactly does she have to do or wear to make it acceptable to you?And when did a trans person have to conform to yours or my opinion of what visually determines his or her gender?
The point I am making is that this is not black and white. It is rather rich in that you are fine providing a trans person confirms to your idea alone of what is acceptable.
Again what exactly makes a women look like a women?
Plenty of things. Hairstyle, specifics regarding their types of clothing, mannerisms, etc.
What exactly does she have to do or wear to make it acceptable to you?
You know it when you see it, that’s all I can say.
The point I am making is that this is not black and white. It is rather rich in that you are fine providing a trans person confirms to your idea alone of what is acceptable.
If a trans person wishes to be recognized as whatever gender they identify as, then that means that unless they carry around a sign saying “I AM A WOMAN” or “I AM A MAN” 24/7, they’re gonna have to conform to society’s expectations of how their identified gender is supposed to look and act. Otherwise, people will be made uncomfortable if they look like they don’t belong. Most women wouldn’t want to share a bathroom with someone with a beard who wears blue jeans and a tank top, and I don’t want to share a bathroom with someone with a skirt and a ponytail.
Cis isn’t real bud, it’s made up. You are male.
lol i bet you think females exist as well
Good lord they are only 11 years old. Who cares what bathroom they use.
Make them all unisex. If it’s a large facility with a bunch of stalls or a small facility for only one person, make them all unisex.
I went to a club with only one, huge, unisex bathroom once. It was… like any other bathroom. Seeing people of the opposite gender wasn’t really a concern anyways.
Since it was a rather yuge bathroom for a yuge club, if there was any shenanigans going on there would’ve been plenty of witnesses to call it out.
There was even one guy who went piss at a urinal, and started to leave without washing his hands. All the other guys started shouting at the guy to was his hands lol.
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You could go take a shit together on your first date
Yes. And get rid of that creepy door gap while you’re at it
I hate those gaps
It’s only America that has pervert friendly toilet gaps.
To be fair, there is safety in numbers and consequently I also see a benefit to combining them. I’m a dude, and I would rather walk down a busy pedestrian mall than a sketchy half-empty street or an urban trail on a moonless night.
Same thing with bathrooms. I imagine women feel better in a bathroom where other women and other people are present and aware, vs a nearly empty bathroom where a creep could walk in and isolate them at any moment. I’ve been to places with large unisex bathrooms (hot springs, spas, etc.) and there’s enough people in there that no one is gonna try anything stupid/inappropriate without being immediately noticed. Bathroom troublemakers are a small subset of the universally large group of people who have to use the restroom anyway.
I only support gender-segregated bathrooms because I don’t want a bunch of chicks clogging up the mensroom with their slow pissing/shitting/bloody paper towels on the floor. :D I am unreasonable and self-centered, but anyone who has ever been to a concert knows which line is longer.
…so you are going to take away my urinals, my fast turnaround time, and my silence?
They can put urinals in a unisex restroom.
In fact, there are all sorts of things in public restrooms that are unused. For example, the last restroom you visited had a sink where you could have washed your hands.
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See how easy it can be to get urinals and silence?
If turnaround time is still a problem, get your prostate checked. Help is available, even for old geezers.
In my hypothetical example, when you pictured stalls, you pictured them with only toilets inside. You didn’t even consider that there could be a stall with just a urinal.
You may enjoy sidling to the trough and gazing at your competition, but some of us appreciate not having creeps trying to size us up.
I haven’t seen a trough style urinal in a developed nation in my entire life.
You have never been to a stadium bathroom before?
I have not.
You haven’t been to the right bars.
That is a distinct possibility.
I’ve seen them in seven States in the US, also on a trip to Canada. I lived in Germany for a while, and used them there - and Austria.
Maybe you should try traveling and open up that closed mind. Expand those horizons.
I travel monthly for work. Last two months I have been to Germany and South East Asia. Maybe I am just not going out of my way to find the most disgusting toliet system, unlike some people I can mention.
Your urinal privilege has been pissed away.
Right so how do people plan to sell this? “Hey 49% of the population, we are going to make a basic need more difficult for you and you get nothing in return”.
You don’t have to. Nobody votes on this shit. You just start building buildings with a large number of private, all-gender stalls like we’ve been doing in limited quantities for a long time. And most wouldn’t care that strongly, or might even appreciate the added privacy.
Wow tell me more about this country that has no building codes.
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Pretty much only conservatives. They’re actually pretty obsessed with thinking about children being raped in bathrooms.
We need to separate the bathrooms by function!
Number ones on the left number twos on the right!
Now the problem with that would be that then people would only use the pissing bathroom, because who would want to poop with other people? I sure wouldn’t.
gender neutral bathrooms are the answer here.
most public places have them now, don’t get why you can’t have one in a school.
In places with large crowds, gender neutral bathrooms (assuming you also mean single-use) don’t really work. It causes massive lines.
Not to mention, there’s no need. It’s a bathroom. Why does anyone care who they pee or poop next to? It seems so silly and arbitrary to me. Just get in, do your thing, wash your hands, and get out. haha
We can have gender neutral bathrooms where we have a shared hand-washing area, and individual stalls. Heck, you can even have cameras pointed towards the sink area if people are so afraid of getting harassed in the bathroom. Gender should not matter when you have individual stalls.
Right? I’ve been using public restrooms for a long time and I don’t recall ever seeing anyone’s naughty bits.
…and for me the most ridiculous part of this discussion is that bathrooms have never been a secure space. If some creep wanted to go into a bathroom to harass people, there is literally nothing stopping them. It’s not like bathrooms have guarded entrances and now people have a sneaky way to get into a bathroom by pretending to be transgender or something insane like that.
It’s literally a manufactured issue to get the GOP electorate terrified, as everything they do is designed to do.
I’ve been using public restrooms for a long time and I don’t recall ever seeing anyone’s naughty bits.
I see you’ve never had the misfortune of using the circular trough-style urinal where everyone is facing each other and peeing into the middle. Thankfully, they are not very common.
From the Horrible Bathroom Hall of Fame, I present the Mathematical Sciences bathroom at the University of Central Florida:
What is it with the US and making public toilets as weird as possible? Your freaking walls & doors are bad enough but this is like a piss fountain. I’d expect something like this in maybe a swinger / fetish club or something like that.
It’s not a urinal, it’s for washing your hands. I’ve mostly ever seen them in factories where you have shifts coming on and off the clock at the same time so they need to be able to handle a high volume of workers.
That said, I’m not a big fan of the piss walls you get in the UK and Ireland. They always feel awkward to me, but I guess if you’re used to it…
LOL when I first saw the pic you posted I thought the sink in the middle was for communal pissing
This is what happens when you have theoretical scientists in charge of bathrooms.
Oh you know what? I think I did have those in elementary school. That was a while ago though.
Lol! Those are meant for washing your hands, not for pissing. Although I guess I can imagine a scenario where some genius thinks one is a urinal and somehow the idea catches on. Still pretty funny though.
Yes I hate this kind of shit too. It costs less and somehow might be able to pack more pissers, but it’s so weird. Maybe unless you’re into staring at other people when you’re peeing.
The best compromise for neutrality and efficiency is to keep gender neutral stalls but also retain an area with urinals which will be much quicker for large numbers of men to pass through then using stalls, and also saves water.
The other consideration would be that the stalls will need to be sufficiently screened that people in them don’t feel overlooked or vulnerable (I’m looking at you USA with your weird gappy stall building!).
Um I think if we’re gonna have urinals, they need to have a divider to completely separate them from the rest of the bathroom area, just so some conservative women don’t freak out about the idea of men urinating outside of a closed stall.
But yea the stalls need to have no gaps in them. I hate people just peeking in, especially when I was in k-12 public school.
I’m a big fan of just getting rid of urinals altogether as a man, I’m choosing stalls every time anyway
You son of a bitch
I went to a mixed bathroom in France and had to walk past bare backsides to get to a stall. I don’t want to see one guy’s ass let alone a whole row of them.
In the US at least people don’t generally have their asses hanging out when using urinals.
That’s not really a thing in Europe either. I saw it only once in my life, and that was back in school, from some third or second grader or something.
You’re supposed to run down the line and slap those butts.
While cheering about your favorite sportsball team.
I was at a concert at Red Rocks Amphitheatre and they had gender neutral single stall bathrooms with a shared sink area. It was great. Sure, there was a line, but there was going to be one anyway. However, it ensured 100% utilization, when potentially one side would have less than 100% usage when the other has a line. It’s ideal for places with large crowds.
(The stalls were also well built basically single rooms, not the shitty American stalls with gaps in them.)
It works perfectly, it’s just more expensive to construct. In some Nordic countries there are very few places with bathroom stalls, they either have lots of single-use bathrooms or completely walled-in rooms (wall from ground to roof, regular door) with a toilet and then sinks outside to wash your hands. Works in shopping malls, airports, schools (from small elementary schools to huge high-schools, I’ve never seen one with stalls). The only exceptions I can think of that have stalls are amusement parks, some sport arenas and (ironically) IKEA.
How about single occupancy? No one cares if you use the wrong port-a-potty.
Because it’s not cost effective
All this bathroom talk is just a bourgeois plot to make us all rent bathrooms.
You mean like how it used to be in the US decades ago? You very much used to have to pay to use public bathrooms until a bunch of students protested it.
I’ve never understood why I should care where someone else goes to the bathroom anyways.
I also agree with the judge in good faith, however it raises some questions about the authority of the school system. Schools are known to not give kids the amendment rights like them being able to search your backpack or locker and most states have laws that demand that kids go to school which limits their freedoms, we all know why that is, but the judge has barred the school from using this power and gave it to a kid. Someone might go through the verdict and see how reaching this is, but it is interesting.
I wouldn’t want my boy showing genitals to women on a bathroom. Viceversa too
I don’t know what bathrooms you’ve been in, but nobody is showing anyone anything in the bathroom. In most cases people who are trans use stalls anyways.
Most is not all and source of that statistic?
If you think about it… She wants to use the girl’s toilets. I’d assume there’ll only be stalls.
Careful, logic hurts them
I use most because I can’t definitively say all.
Logically Trans people are in situations where they are going to be in individual stalls.
Like I said, nobody is showing off their genitals in the bathroom. I regret to inform you that you’re doing something wrong if you’re walking into a bathroom with the purpose of exposing yourself to the occupants.
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Wait, you mean you don’t just drop trou the second you get into a public bathroom? That’s crazy, my girlfriends and I are always asking strangers to look at our crotches before we pee.
Wait no, that’s never happened once in my 39 years on earth. I’m really curious about what bathrooms republicans are in if loose genitalia is the constant threat they make it out to be.
Yeah even at the urinals I’ve never seen another man’s dick. There isn’t even urinals in women’s bathrooms so what’s gonna be the problem?
I think the quiet part that needs to be a bit more out loud is that while all the fingers are pointed at trans people over creeping in the ladies’ room, the resulting ‘bathroom panic’ gives cis men cover to go into the ladies’ bathroom to police who’s trans or not in there and it’s totally not creeping when they do that, nosirreebob
The bigger issue is that it gives perverted and creepy men an open invitation to go in to womens bathrooms by simply saying they identify as a woman.
No men are going in to womens bathrooms to “police” them.
And trans girls/women aren’t just doing that either.
I have never heard a man say “oh darn! I can’t rape her, she made it to the safe zone of the women’s bathroom!”
Are you daft? You can’t be serious right? Creeps aren’t going to be deterred by a door. Trans people just want to use the bathroom and get out as quickly and quietly as possible.
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Maybe teach your boy not to show their genitals to people in the bathroom because that’s actually weird af? I swear the people against this are telling on themselves. You’re a bunch of bathroom perverts and you think it’s normal/everyone does it. Because I have never once in my whole life seen someone’s genitals in a public bathroom. You looking for it or what?
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That’s exactly the point. The judge sided with the 11 year old girl so she wouldn’t be forced to use the boys bathroom with your son.
This is some good Accidental Ally material.
But if the same happens with men you’re cool with it?
Same equipment and the possibility of accompany to your boi or girl gives you the extra coolness 😎
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As a male, I’ve learned long ago when I step up to a stall next to another dude, I’m not supposed to look at their genitals. As it turns out, dudes don’t like when other dudes look at their junk. As a result, I’ve never had another dude showing me their genitals in a men’s room.
Come to think of it, if I had a choice, I’d probably rather a woman looked at my junk in the bathroom than a dude…
Yeah and that’s the point, to keep it that way. No transsexuals indecently exposing themselves or perving on unconsenting kids or adults on bathrooms. Thanks for agreeing on that.
Imagine holding in a shit for months as a court determines where you can poop.
The best I can do is 3 days.
I see what you did there.
Wait I think I found a solution the Lemmy no poop challenge…
Just shit in front of the door. Someone will move it to the correct toilet eventually.
While this is welcome news, it’s also depressing that we live in a timeline stupid enough that bathroom panics are enough of a thing that there are laws on the books like this to be struck down by judges (and of course, the fact that other judges are likely to reverse this ruling).
Would you be ok with 17 year old boys to use the girls toilets at school if they just say that they identify as a girl?
What is the issue you have with it, really? You think that people are going to go into the bathroom and do something nefarious?
Before asking us why we think it’s okay, let’s really drill down into what you’re so worried about.
Yeah you’re right, being trans isn’t even a thing, it’s all just perverted teenage boys who want to… Hear girls pee, I guess?
Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you? If you find sexual gratification being in the same room where members of the opposite gender take a shit in a closed stall, you go ahead and be as pervy as you fucking want with it, but stop projecting your weird scat fetish on everyone else and just let people go to the god damn bathroom.
Well if they aren’t a boy then it wouldn’t matter and I would be fine with my daughter sharing a locker room/bathroom. I’m more worried about her being shot and killed than someone who is trans in the bathroom with her.
People don’t just wake up one day and go “I’m a girl! Hyuk! I’m going to go be a girl just to get in the bathroom! Hyuk!”
People don’t do that, especially trans people. Get your head out of your ass.
Guess your parents never read classics to you like: Everyone Poops. Or the wonderful sequel: Everyone Farts.
We’re just people and socializing these potty hangups is pretty childish.
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When that happens we can talk about why it happened, and how it was handled. But it’s simply not a thing that happens unless it’s some anti-trans activist trying to prove a point!
Two things to ponder if you dont understand why people might answer “yes.”: Boys pissing in public on trees and in bushes is a normal thing, especially among circles expressing concern about a society that acknowledges trans people exist. Boys using toilets is a plus, at all ages. Second: every Porta potty in existence seems to operate with its gender neutrality without the same kind of panic. If you can square these two notions: Boys using a toilet isn’t odd, strange, or worth a moral panic. You might then see your question isn’t about toilets, and about gendered space and how important it is to have spaces that are exclusive and exclusionary based on something like gender, (or even… other things!)
Why do questions like this always sound like the person asking is just putting a question mark at the end of something they’ve considered doing?
I keep asking myself this every time the christofascists win a supreme court case.
The majority of US citizens believe in legal abortion but, hey here we are!
Err… this simply isn’t true.
Children are fucking brutal and always looking for ways to put others down. Just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Remember when we were kids?
Sided with an 11 year old or sided with the law and the 11 year olds rights?
Good point. Shouldn’t slaves have just been happy what the majority of people in the south wanted?
This is like the 4th time the state congress has tried pulling this crap and it keeps getting shot down. Meanwhile they don’t even consider marijuana legislation even though millions of dollars are going to taxes for other states they have it legalized. So stupid.
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Its not, literally all you have to do is not discriminate.
A little bit of an overreach here.
I’d like it so we can easily see censored content, so we don’t have to scour the modlog to see what happened. Is that possible?
I am annoyed with all the deleted high-activity comments as well.
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