Can you imagine her outrage of anyone said that about any group she is part of? Women. American. Divorced. Military. You name it. “Kill all of them”, “How can you say that, that’s inhumane and you should be locked up in a mental hospital”, but when it’s Palestinians it’s fine I guess.
Imagine thinking a whole group of people- millions of people- deserve to die. I can’t even comprehend the thought process there.
The thought of killing millions of people is becoming normalized again.
The more this rhetoric is repeated, the more likely it will occur … if not in Palestine, then somewhere else.
We aren’t evolving at this point … we’re regressing.
Now that everyone who experienced WW2 has gone, the collective memory isn’t so strong. Up till a few years ago, you could talk to someone in the family who remembered it.
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They only think about it in numbers and them gone.
Our population is too domesticated for all this nonsense. I would argue the vast majority of people haven’t even killed a chicken, let alone taken human life. No murders will be happening any time soon
This is a bad take, you don’t have to have previously killed anyone to become a murderer.
The Nazis managed to industrialize mass murder in the 20th century which directly reduced the amount of exposure to the common citizen. I don’t even want to imagine what a similar mindset would be capable of today.
All it takes is a minority of psychopaths and a large population of apathetic citizens.
I’ll have you know I’ve killed tons of chickens… in mine craft.
Wtf I’m not killing a chicken. You kill the chickens. That can be your post apocalypse job. Me, I’ll stick with mud peasant, thank you.
In the speech in support of the ceasefire resolution, the Democratic Florida state representative Angie Nixon said: “We are at 10,000 dead Palestinians. How many will be enough?”
“All of them,” Michelle Salzman called in reply.
wow
The remarks came during a debate in the state legislature about calling for a ceasefire in Israel’s invasion of Gaza, which has so far killed more than 10,000 Palestinians, many of whom are children. The assault came after Hamas fighters attacked Israel from Gaza, killing at least 1,400 people and taking more than 200 hostage. … The Florida state house later voted 104-2 to reject Nixon’s resolution.
The resolution only called for a ceasefire?
On Thursday, Joe Biden said there was “no possibility” of a ceasefire.
I’m ootl on that.
The last bit you quoted about Biden is referring to statements he made about Biden asking Netanyahu about the possibility of a ceasefire and that Bibi told Biden there is none.
What are you saying? The article links to this:
Q (Inaudible) Gaza ceasefire, Mr. President?
THE PRESIDENT: Pardon me?
Q What are the chances of a Gaza ceasefire?
THE PRESIDENT: None. No possibility.
Q Any update on getting hostages out?
THE PRESIDENT: We’re still optimistic.
Q What’s the — what’s the delay on getting more hostages?
Q What’s your message to the families of the hostages in Gaza?
THE PRESIDENT: We’re not going to stop until we get them out.
Q How confident are you that you will get them out?
Q What’s been the delay?
Q Mr. President, are the retaliatory strikes working? Mr. President, are the retaliatory strikes working in the Middle East?
THE PRESIDENT: Yes. I mean, they’re — they’re working in the sense that we’re hitting the targets they’re seeking.
Yes, there’s no possibility because he’s asked and was tolled no possibility.
This is the correct answer. There will be no cease fire until, at minimum, the hostages are released. The other problem that the Israelis have is that there’s no evidence that Hamas has any intention of honoring a cease fire as they’ve willingly violated many such agreements in the past.
I don’t have a strong opinion as to what the correct choice is here for Israel, I’m simply stating the facts as they relate to the possibility of a cease fire.
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why tf is a state legislature even wasting time on this?
they should be contacting their elected representatives in congress like anyone else.
Only ones picking up the phones I imagine. You should attend a local school board meeting and listen to all the
“This is state level policy”
“I don’t care do something about it!”
People are raising their concerns with the powers that be and they aren’t listening so they go find someone with some power and yell at them.
And yeah this is not me showing contempt. I get it fully.
Biden is ride-or-die for Israel, basically.
If he wasn’t, he’s be called an antisemitic jew hater for daring question the Israeli narrative. Anything less than full throated support is akin to supporting Hamas according to a very large amount of stupid and/or intellectually dishonest people.
You aren’t wrong, but he’s been ride-or-die for Israel for his entire career. He’s the most pro-Israel president we’ve ever had.
Reagan was seriously pro-Israel and started the whole US-supported Israeli military funding. source
Jen Kirby - You mentioned that the United States had a big investment in the Iron Dome. Why is that — what’s the US’s stake in this?
Jean-Loup Samaan - Well, first, historically, the US started cooperating with Israel on air defense in the 1980s. So when missile defense became a significant component of defense investment in the US, Israel was very quickly involved. There’s a history of close ties between both countries in that field. So it would seem, in a sense, natural that a consequence of that is to support something like Iron Dome.
I think it was around the end of Obama’s first term, in 2012, that the US put a stronger emphasis on Iron Dome in terms of budgeting. I believe it was probably not just the politics behind it, but also the strategic assessment that the priority is to protect and to strengthen the defense of Israel vis-à-vis these types of rockets.
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You should read the OT. His track record is about as good as your average cop, if that.
Started? How geopolitically ignorant are you? A considerable portion of the IDF’s armaments (including over 100 fighter jets) during the Yom Kippur War were flown in from the US. This was seven years before Reagan. The entirety of Israel’s existence has just been the US and France dumping weapons. (Israel didn’t indigenously make it’s nuclear weapons, they came from France’s nuclear projects, just like how the Kfir wasn’t built using Israel’s non-existent aerospace industry).
I quoted a source. If you don’t agree with it, quote another.
And please don’t call me ignorant. It’s rude and uncalled for.
“I quoted a source”
I can smash on a keyboard and then write a citation to whatever nonsense comes. An intelligent person cross-references it with well established facts, and then decides if it’s probably true.
The idea that US support for Israel started in the 80s is refuted by hundreds of data points in Israeli history.
“It’s rude and uncalled for”
It’s totally called for. You could literally have read the Wikipedia on history of modern Israel and seen that it was patently false.
Okay, so Biden is the most pro-Israel president since Reagan lol
My point stands.
Since when is Biden the President of Israel?
Israel is the 51st state, Biden could end this war tomorrow if he wanted.
What fantasy land are you living in? Shapirostan?
What do you think would happen to Israel if Biden came out and said “we will no longer defend Israel, everybody go nuts”?
Lebanon and Iran and Qatar and Yemen and Iraq and Afghanistan and Turkey and Egypt and maybe even Russia would obliterate them. Israel is only able to exist because the US gives it unconditional support. Hence, the 51st state - an attack on Israel is an attack on the US.
Lebanon and Iran and Qatar and Yemen and Iraq and Afghanistan and Turkey and Egypt and maybe even Russia would obliterate them.
I have serious doubts as to the ability of some of these countries to be able to match up to Israel militarily, even aside from having other things to worry about at the moment - Russia in particular does not have the privilege of fighting two wars right now.
There’s also the fact that Israel is a nuclear power - they almost used their nukes in the Yom Kippur war, which is what prompted the US to actually start resupplying them. If an Arab coalition were to attack Israel now (especially with Netanyahu in power), there is zero chance that they wouldn’t actually do it this time, and everyone knows this. No one in their right mind would try and pressure Israel to that extent, and most foreign powers would be highly motivated to do whatever it took to make sure that didn’t happen.
Finally, if the US were to leave Israel alone, China would probably step right in to fill that void, and would be well-suited for it too, given that they have relatively good relations with most of the Arab nations (IIRC). So not only would the US lose a massive channel of influence in the region, they’d be allowing their largest geopolitical rival to consolidate their influence in the region as well - wouldn’t Biden be absolutely raked over the coals for that?
it’d be political suicide.
wouldn’t Biden be absolutely raked over the coals for that?
Ignoring all your speculation about Israel’s strength (I’m highly skeptical they could actually survive modern warfare - they have drone pilots, not infantry lol) he absolutely would. There’s a huge portion of the electorate that absolutely loves Israel and supports their genocide.
That’s not really a good reason to continue supporting them.
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Yup, but because daddy has aircraft carriers in the gulf it’s fine. The 51st state is safe.
Why are states wasting time with resolutions for international issues. Stay in your lane.
Why are you diverting attention from the real issue: a fuckin’ psychopath calling for mass murder.
Cause more than enough people covered that topic in the comments already.
Because it’s all theater. Most of these loonies are extras they just don’t know it. It’s one giant distraction. A fuckin flea circus. Just make sure you’re paying attention so you don’t notice your wallet getting lighter or your rights getting smaller.
I agree, ignore all local and state elections.
I wouldn’t say ignore them. That is how the loons get their soapbox and make rules that make our lives hell. Remember that it is local government that assists the state government with their gerrymandering and enforcement of abusive laws. Vote for competent, populace-minded local governments and the asshats in the state governments will have more trouble exerting will.
Yeah, that would be the sarcasm.
Pardon my autism. Sorry I didn’t catch it.
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These people live in a bizarre, hate-filled universe.
That and their tribe is all they have.
America*
She said the only part out loud.
This is why I’m not all that concerned in the recent polls that Biden is losing support among Progressives, who tend to be sympathetic to the Palestinians. What are they going to do, vote for Trump and his friends, who are even worse? If Trump does win, do they really think they would be listened to?
I doubt a single person in Florida who thinks that Biden and the party he leads is not taking their side on this issue would vote for this person instead.
What are they going to do, vote for Trump and his friends, who are even worse?
What they might do is sit out the election or make a third party protest vote. I am no lover of Biden, but if he’s the only viable choice other than Trump, we need him in the office and I’m worried not enough people will realize that.
It’s the same issue Hillary had. Lots of liberals were so fucking tired of the system. They wanted something new. And Hillary was a direct personification of the system; A career politician who had paid her party dues for decades, and felt like the seat had been promised to her. There were a lot of liberals who casted protest votes.
I’ll admit I did that. I voted for Bernie in the Primary and then didn’t vote in the General. Although I lived in Oklahoma where Trump beat Clinton by 529k votes and hasn’t been blue in the last 50 years…
I’d like to think I would have voted for Clinton if my vote counted for anything. If we got rid of the electoral college then I feel like the voting percentage would go up across the country as Republicans in California and Democrats in Alabama would suddenly have a reason to actually vote. I live in Alabama now and it is a STUGGLE to get any of my friends to take the time to go vote.
Yea I’m sorry I was one of them and therefore helped trump get in. I wanted Bernie, still want Bernie, voted Bernie in protest in ‘16 but did my part voting Biden in ‘20. But until trump is dead and republicans are unable to field someone as rallying to their base, I’m forced to vote democrat to prevent fascism overtaking my nation.
I hope the ones who did have learned their lesson. When the greater of two evils gets in power, greater evil is done.
What they might do is sit out the election or make a third party protest vote.
Which, in our current system, also helps Republicans get elected.
That was my point.
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I honestly don’t care anymore, everything is already fucked. I might start voting the craziest right wingers going forward, bring on the collapse, the Democratic party is just a different sect of rich fucks that do not give one singular fuck about the people they supposedly represent. This whole place is rotten to it’s core.
We have no culture beyond consumption and money
This is called accelerationism, it has extremely unfortunate consequences for your minority friends.
I’m exhausted from caring and just seeing humanity continue to go downhill and backwards with no signs of slowing.
who said I’m not a minority myself? :)
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Yea that will only cause the death of millions, great idea there mate
Username checks out.
What could go wrong with electing the people who want the opposite things you do?
Electoral nihilism isn’t cool or edgy, it’s stupid. Things could always get worse, and definitely will if a collapse happens.
While I agree, I would rather vote and ride it out. Why choose to burn down the system? If you’re going scorched earth don’t bring everyone with you. If you don’t mind dying, take the people responsible for the suffering with you. I’ll give you a hint- It’s not the politicians.
It’s too late. We’ve ruined this planet, we show zero signs of slowing down.
Nope, no sign of slowing. Our Billionaire overlords have shown no regard for our lives. Previously I would worry about a billionaire getting nukes and destroying humanity. I see now I was right but the method wrong. Religious fanatic billionaires will destroy our planet for the onset of their apocalypse and confirmation they are gods chosen people.
Fuckin comical
Yet at the same time we can only hope some sort of technology comes along to remove the carbon. Unlikely but possible
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Their rhetoric is certainly more openly genocidal, but Biden has done little to nothing to stop this either. He seems to fully support funding genocide.
He uses language that is better, but his actions show no restraint in helping Israel 100%.
In a rare Oval Office speech, the president said, “We reject all forms of hate,” against Muslims, Jews and everyone, as he set the stage for a planned request to Congress for $14 billion in emergency assistance for Israel
And just 2 days ago:
Q What are the chances of a Gaza ceasefire?
THE PRESIDENT: None. No possibility.
This is what leftists are talking about when we say they’re not that different. One party has better language sometimes but in reality little ever changes. Both ultimately serve the interests of the rich and the interests of the rich lie in imperialism and exploitation. The existence of Israel in that region benefits them.
But thats really the only line he could take. People talk about the benefits of incumbency when running for office, but incumbency also has a drawback that you need to find solutions to problems, in real-time, with whatever situation is currently going on. His opponents have the luxury of not having to be the one to deal with this problem, right now.
And the fact of the matter is, no matter how heavy handed Israel is being right now, Hamas is showing no signs of letting up. And, no matter what you think about Israel’s treatment of Gaza all this time, no one can make an argument that Hamas didn’t strike first in this most recent action. If Biden let up on Hamas the way his detractors want, all it does is embolden those who want to use violence to further their extreme politics. (Including the home-grown ones in the US).
no matter what you think about Israel’s treatment of Gaza all this time, no one can make an argument that Hamas didn’t strike first in this most recent action.
What a pointless, ahistorical line of thought.
Yeah sure if you just ignore everything else and start from that day, they kind of look like the aggressor.
But even then that’s not true. “Israel was just peacefully minding its own business, illegally occupying the land they stole when the people they stole it from attacked outta nowhere”. Occupation is aggression.
They could choose not to vote at all, which is almost as bad. Or vote for a third party candidate, which is the same thing.
Many people think they’re taking a moral stand by sitting out an election because they don’t like their party’s contender.
Used to listen to a local conservative radio host. Great guy, wouldn’t let anyone talk shit if it wasn’t true, never pushed any hate, nothing like today’s breed.
Lady calls in and says she’s refuses to vote McCain for whatever reason. OTOH, she disliked Obama even more. The host was gob smacked.
“You do realize that not voting McCain is next door to voting Obama and you’re helping him win? Right? If you don’t like Obama, wouldn’t it be better to hold your nose and vote McCain?”
“I still won’t do it. I have morals.”
Supporting Israel in this holocaust is going to cost Biden votes.
This “great guy” was encouraging people to vote for the Republican candidate after eight years of George W. Bush?
Could just stay home. Maybe a bunch of us are tired of voting for people whose only qualifications is they aren’t the other person.
But that’s entirely my point. These people who are complaining that Biden isn’t taking their side are at risk having an administration who considers them all to be terrorists to take over if they sit this one out. I suppose they can take solace in the fact that they stuck to their principles, even if the Trump Administration sends them all to re-education camps.
Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good.
Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good.
There aren’t good options. There’s genocide lite and genocide delux.
I will not vote for genocide, and if you vote for genocide you are complicit.
Not acting is still a choice.
It’s a choice to not vote for genocide. You can tell yourself pretty lies, but if you vote for Biden you are a genocide supporter.
but if you vote for Biden you are a genocide supporter.
Every time I hear this I have to do some math, play a word puzzle, or some other mental exercise to make sure I don’t catch The Stupid. If casting a vote for Biden equals support for genocide, then anything anyone in a civilized society does could be said to be the same. Vote for anyone? The joke’s on you, genocide supporter, you helped a different genocide supporter get elected. Do you go to work? You failed again; You’re making someone else money so they can vote for a genocide supporter. Do you pay Taxes, you genocide
supporterfunder?Protest votes are for the primary; go ahead and vote for Gandhi McJesus then. The general is the team play. And if you don’t vote for the lesser of two evils you’re helping the larger evil get elected, you genocide supporter, it just lets you smugly deflect blame.
Vote for anyone? The joke’s on you, genocide supporter, you helped a different genocide supporter get elected
You can vote for people who don’t support genocide! They exist.
Do you go to work? You failed again; You’re making someone else money so they can vote for a genocide supporter. Do you pay Taxes, you genocide supporterfunder?
We are all complicit in our own ways and we have a moral duty to rebel against our genocidal government. Good job, you just made an argument for revolution lol
And if you don’t vote for the lesser of two evils you’re helping the larger evil get elected, you genocide supporter, it just lets you smugly deflect blame.
Democrats would oppose genocide if Trump was president, which actually results in harm reduction. How do you square that circle?
Purposefully withholding your vote in the general election is a selfish/narcissistic act. No matter what wordplay you engage, not giving support to the lesser of two evils leads to better outcomes for the greater of them – and pain and suffering for the most vulnerable. But you get the comfort of hugging your pristine principles**
**and La Revolución is NOT happening in time to help in any meaningful way before uncountable death and suffering – stop that BS and grow up
Voting for genocide makes you a genocide supporter. Deal with it.
No ceasefire, no votes.
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Outrageous
She seems like an idiot, but the reality is anyone with this opinion out of Israel right now kind of has the right to feel that way. Genocide never fixes problems and always creates more problems later
Not too far of a departure from Biden’s statements about no upper limit of dead civilians or children and “None. No possiblity.” about a ceasefire.
The real crime for the Republican: aligning with Biden in rhetoric.
Lemmings are rightly furious about these comments, but I don’t recall you all being upset about Tlaib’s tone-deaf implication that Israel should be wiped from the map.
I’m not pretending Tlaib’s comments are as bad as these, because they’re not, but I am absolutely for censuring Tlaib over them. They were totally out of line, no matter what she meant.
She called for Palestine to be free from the river to the sea. That doesn’t actually require wiping Israel off the map.
Palestine and Israel could just become a single multi-ethnic democracy so everyone gets equal rights and equal protections.
It’s like saying “Black Lives Matter” is racist because the implication is that only black lives matter, when it is actually meant to say black lives also matter. Bad faith interpretation.
“From the river to the sea” is a phrase used by Hamas and other anti-Israel groups in the region to talk about wiping Israel out. I don’t think Tlaib was actually calling for the destruction of Israel, but her choice of phrase was absolutely moronic, and I don’t believe she ever apologized for it. That’s what I meant about her comments not being as bad as these, but still bad.
“From the river to the sea” is also a phrase used by the entire Palestinian resistance. Everyone, from peaceful protesters to violent militants, are saying the same thing- they are demanding freedom. The fact that some of them are more extreme than others is no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water. Even the ones that are anti-Israel aren’t calling for genocide - they want Israel abolished and all Jewish Israelis to become Palestinian.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. Deal. With. It.
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“Lemmy did not levy these exact condemnations over a less-offensive comment and therefore…”
What? So what? What is your point? You posted this just to side track condemnation of actual genocidal language in order to drop some open-ended whataboutism?
Source on Tlab’s comments?
Those comments are fine. The only ones pissed off about them are insincere fear mongers and genocidal apologists.
Exactly. Tlaib literally says its meaning is of peaceful coexistence. There is absolutely no comparison with the woman above saying all Palestinians should be dead.
You think using the exact language Hamas uses when they call for Israel’s obliteration is fine? There’s definitely something wrong with you.
You sir\madam are not a nice person.
If I’m “not nice,” you’re far worse.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid. But you abuse that privilege.
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