Terrorist cell embedded itself within civilians around Al-Quds Hospital, fired from the hospital entrance at IDF soldiers, and was subsequently eliminated
  • galloog1@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1315·
    2 years ago

    Go for it. If it is so easy you are welcome to go put yourself in harm’s way. Don’t criticize when you have not been faced with the decisions and a lack of full awareness. Hamas is not sitting out in the middle of a field waiting to be struck.

    • BradleyUffner@lemmy.worldEnglish
      159·
      2 years ago

      It is neither my place, nor my responsibility to physically take part in this conflict. However, it certainly IS my place and responsibility, as a human being, to say that purposefully killing innocent civilians and blowing up functional hospitals is evil. Yes, even when there is a bad guy hiding inside.

        • dangblingus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          61·
          2 years ago

          So, in your mind, rules of engagement allow destroying civilian infrastructure that currently hosts many civilians so you can kill a handful of bad guys?

          • Hatsune Miku @lemmy.worldEnglish
            14·
            2 years ago

            Article 19 of Geneva states that if a hospital is being used to store military equipment and active military combatants, then it loses its protection.

      • galloog1@lemmy.worldEnglish
        917·
        2 years ago

        War is evil. Nothing they are doing is without military purpose. This is a justified conflict. Your perspective is naive and not based in reality and/or military law. Israel did everything they could to avoid this conflict, most of which has been misconstrued as genocide against Palestine.

        • crapwittyname@lemmy.mlEnglish
          72·
          2 years ago

          Just wanted to point out a few factual inaccuracies in your comment.

          1. This is no longer a justified conflict. A state has the right to self defence in a limited way. The right to self defence does not override the rules on collective punishment. The right to self defence does not include the right to invade a state where the enemy is a terrorist group within that state, rather than the state itself. The right to self defence does not override the rules on attacking civilian infrastructure (especially ambulances) even where there is suspicion that a terrorist organisation may be using it. The right to self defence does not override the rules on forcible relocation or blockade. In short, the response to an enemy using a human shield must not be to eliminate the shield. It’s astounding that so many people seem to need this explained to them. This is borne out by international law, cf. the UN charters.
          2. Israel did not do everything they could do to avoid this conflict. The one thing they had to do was to abide by the Oslo accords, yet they have built settlements in Palestine every single day since signing, and restricted Gazans every single day since signing. The two state solution has failed as a result of Israel’s actions. In terms of actions since October 7th, the usual way to go about dismantling an embedded terror organisation is to use counterintelligence, ground ops and precision strikes. The reasons are obvious, I hope. The only way to get those hostages back is either by freeing them in covert ops or by negotiation at a political level. Destroying entire city blocks from the air will not get the hostages back, as we all know.
          3. The label genocide is not misconstrued, according to the UN genocide experts. Some say there is a grave risk that this is a genocide, based on the available facts, and some say that it already fulfills the criteria.
            I can provide sources for all of my claims, if you’d prefer not to do the legwork yourself.
          • Hatsune Miku @lemmy.worldEnglish
            15·
            2 years ago

            Hamas were the first to violate the accords. They launched an attack because they weren’t being included in the negotiations.

            the usual way to go about dismantling an embedded terror organisation is to use counterintelligence, ground ops and precision strikes.

            israel has been doing that for a few decades but Hamas continues to attack until they call for a ceasefire. In which Israel agrees, and then Hamas again breaks the ceasefire.

          • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
            26·
            2 years ago

            Lol literally none this si accurate

            How do you write so much and get everything wrong

      • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
        513·
        2 years ago

        However, it certainly IS my place and responsibility, as a human being, to say that purposefully killing innocent civilians and blowing up functional hospitals is evil

        It’s your responsibility to actually know what is happening before you spout false things online.