This is a technology community, and (whether you like it or not) Twitter being rebranded to X is pretty big news in the world of tech.
Especially with the slipshod way they are doing with it, there is bound to be a lot of articles covering different weird tangential effects from the rush job.
Yeah I don’t like this. Can’t we just use our upvotes to decide which news are important?
Most people on All don’t check what comm a post is from before upvoting. That’s why on Reddit all subs that regularly hit r/all are basically the same. I’m fine with the Twitter news here, but upvotes don’t work as quality control.
The point is that news about Twitter rebranding is simply not related to technology. This is a technology community. These submissions should not even be posted in the first place to have the opportunity to be voted on.
Are you really suggesting that we take the low quality Reddit approach to high quality subs like /r/funny?
I suppose this is what happens when the lowest common denominator goes down coupled with ignorance of how the lowest common denominator affects community quality.
Communities lose their niche by catering to the lowest common denominator and become homogeneous with each other. This has been a long-standing phenomena on Reddit, one which I would expect to not be carried over to Lemmy since it’s largely a symptom of a user base that has more interest in memes, funnies, and celebrity worship than discussion and real news.
Alright, how do you decide who is the “lowest common denominator” who shouldn’t get to have a say over what is being discussed?
How about the people who stumble across the comm’s posts on All but aren’t subscribed? On Reddit you could also talk about the original user base from before a sub started hitting r/all but [email protected] doesn’t really have an ‘original’ user base.
It does sound reasonable to prioritize subscribed users when counting upvotes, to reflect the interests of that particular community.
But I don’t think that will stop people from bringing up any news involving Twitter. The submission and initial momentum likely happens within the community itself.
That would be cool, never thought about that. Straight up not allowing voting from All/when you’re not subbed could also be interesting as an experiment. But yeah, here plenty of people are just interested in Twitter news.
are just interested in Twitter news.
From the way I’m interpreting that… shouldn’t that demand for ‘just twitter news’ lead to a new community for that specifically? Like if it’s really that interesting to enough people, wouldn’t that be the better outcome?
I keep downvoting them. But I am apparently alone.
How many posts on Twitter is in your feed? Sorting by Hot, I see only two posts on Twitter, not including your post. Same if I sort by New.
Even if it is only 1 it is more than it should be.
If that’s what you think I suggest you to start looking for filter options, maybe some apps already have them.
It’ll be funny to see because he’ll have to block the letter X
Yeah well I bet it is gonna be called Twitter for a while yet (the best option would be they keep calling it Twitter lol).
Could be a solution. But what if that company has an actual tech news, like release a new open source software or started contributing to a given web standard.
Well, then I guess you should put your priorities on a balance before making any filtering route.
If it helps for something I also get tired of repetitive news (especially because I’m subbed to many tech communities), but I just scroll and hide (Voyager and Summit), so not much of my “time is lose”.
Then maybe this isn’t the community for you.
This is an absurd position. I agree there could stand to be fewer posts. I don’t need to hear fifteen times that Mastodon has record increases (which would actually qualify as technology news by your standards, wouldn’t it?). But I would like to see it once. A limitation to keeping one popular article (as determined by the mods) per discrete news item would be a far better approach.
I’m not interested in hearing about how Elon took over an X Twitter account yet again. I am very interested however in hearing that companies will lose verification on Twitter unless they buy enough ads. That is currently newsworthy.
It’s clear that a substantial number of users are interested in hearing about this. It’s also clear that a substantial number of users are sick of hearing about this. There should be a compromise to find a middle ground, not either extreme of “as many posts about Twitter as you’d like” nor “no posts about Twitter at all”.
Twitter’s been a big deal for a long time. So, to expect nobody to post about it is unreasonable.
Yeah let’s have no news at all about one of the largest and most influential tech companies going through massive restructuring! That kind of thing has no place on a tech community
It’s hard not to upvote because fuck Elon. But at the same time its all dumb shit.
It’s a lose lose situation.
I don’t know if it works, but I found this post where someone claims to have made a keyword filter. https://sh.itjust.works/post/1715366 I don’t think you’ll be able to filter out “X” though
I was like, " Yeah! Downvote the musk posts" Then I proceeded to down vote the top post because it’s about Elon Musk.
Big news, yes. But not tech related at all. Those Elon news should be on TMZ.
twitter isn’t relevant in technological development, it’s just a toxic social media site which hasn’t changed in any significant way since its inception (technologically speaking)
I agree with you that no one in the tech world is looking at Twitter for advice atm, but to say nothing changed at Twitter in any significant way since it’s inception is disingenuous at best. Twitter’s rapid growth and adoption led to the development of a number of key technologies needed to run global 24/7 uptime services at scale, just to name one macro example.
Ok that was then. What innovations have they put forth lately? Let’s talk about that. Changing the company name isn’t particularly Innovative.
Reread what I said: I agree that nothing major has been introduced by Twitter lately, but to say that they contributed nothing to the tech world since their inception, which is what the user above me was claiming, is disingenuous. Both can be true: Twitter can be a flaming pile of shit now (and it is), and it can also have been a very influential and technologically forward-thinking org at one point in time early on in their inception
Twitter being rebranded to X is pretty big news in the world of tech.
Is it? It doesn’t change anything.
Is this place called technology news, or technology? Asking for a friend
Neither. It’s a rant about “Twitter/Elon/whatever billionaire does something stupid today” community.
As you can see, nothing tech related. Just people related to the tech industry somehow
That is not Tech news that is business news.
What technology was developed, explored, integrated, improved, or otherwise innovated or more broadly applied by this?
Nothing, it does nothing, it’s a branding decision, business news, not tech news.
Curious, those criteria you listed out are not present anywhere I can see in the community rules.
Perhaps you should petition the mods to change them if you feel so strongly about it.
I think we should or else create a new community to focus on those things so I can join that one.
Many instances have a tech community, I wonder if any of them are like that. [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]
This would be a welcome development, I feel like social media is something you use tech to do, but it’s very rarely an interesting conversation about the tech itself.
Like how a grocery store has food but you wouldn’t call it a restaurant.
The side car says this community is about technology news. I don’t think they should list everything it’s not, but maybe clarify if news about the tech industry are wanted or not.
What technology was developed, explored, integrated, improved, or otherwise innovated or more broadly applied by this?
This is an interesting standard to apply and I’m curious to see how many posts would actually fit that, especially posts which seem to be about tech. Arguably, 30-60% of the top posts right now don’t meet this.
It is definitely very big news, but I guess the amount of articles on that topic is overshadowing the rest of tech news.
Maybe we could consider that news relative to Twitter/X should be on their own community, that users can choose to subscribe, ignore or block?
No, a rebrand is not a true technological news. It is regular news. Same would apply if Pizza company changed it’s name. Internal policy changes of a website are not technological news either. Appointing a new director or firing staff, is still are not technological. Sure they its news, but have nothing to do with technology.
Twitter being rebranded to X is pretty big news in the world of tech.
Maybe, but we have seen it now. If every fart of Musk needs a new thread, maybe better to make a Musk group.
reddit used to have r/EnoughMuskSpam lol
Unfortunate how they spam musk themselves
Yeah I never got the gimmick of that sub because it’s actively contributing to the problem. Guy lives rent free in their heads and they have to take it out on the rest of us.
I agree. I don’t use Twitter and I really don’t know much about Elon, but when one of the wealthiest people in the world is doing something with a major tech company, Id like to be somewhat informed
Elon must stay rich from living in everyone’s heads rent-free…
I’d rather want to know why we have 10 posts about twitter changing it’s name but the one post about grindr employees unionizing gets removed because it’s apparently not tech related
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Wait, what? I dont give a fuck about the elon musk shit, but I care about grindr employees. Seems this community is earning a block from my side
This sort of situation is why I believe the human interests around technology should be covered.
Yeah, Lemmy is for obsessively shitposting about Reddit, not Twitter.
Also, memes about that movie I was promoting.
Yay oppenheimer
We can keep that Twitter shit over on Mastodon where it belongs.
Or limit it to a pinned permathread?
Just call it “Elon Madness”
One for Elon, and another for Reddit.
Melon ad-ness. It’s partly newsworthy but mostly free publicity.
That’s what [email protected] does: https://lemmy.ml/post/2431344
Currently chatting with the other mods about this and while we don’t want the community to be overrun by Elon, the articles are some of the most upvoted in the past few days. It seems, that people do want to hear about what’s going on but not at a rate that drowns out other content. We’ve been careful to prune out duplicates to keep the flow down, but the volume of Elon posts and Twitter / X is definitely… a lot. I do see how some find it annoying so we’re keeping an eye on the situation, but I do agree it does meet the criteria of being both news and tech related. I assume that he’ll eventually run out of Twitter pieces to break, right :P
Please do keep an open line of communication with us and all replies, feedback and opinions are always welcome! Cheers!
why did you remove the Grindr unionization post
@enu reply to this please
It’s not just an inconvenience. I unfollowed the sub because the quality of the content was poor. I want to learn about technology, not social media companies and every minutiae about their employees bowel movements. I’m getting more value from Linux than from here, despite the fact some of it is more low level than I’d like.
I see the role of moderators as guiding the flow of people’s interests. If you went solely on upvotes, it wouldn’t matter what you called the community or whether it had moderators. If you want it to be about technology, make it that way. If you want it to be about the business decisions of social media companies tangentially related to technology, at least do the kindness of changing the name so that people don’t mistakenly come here thinking they’ll hear about new technology.
Great, and thank you for implication and consideration. This community, like any other needs some rules or guide lines. Yet, if people are interested in other topics, they can just subscribe to communities about those other topics.
To be more precise, “technology” “technology news” and “news” are very different subjects that may have their own communities.
I believe the upvotes mainly come from rage engagement. I don’t wanna see them either, but they provoke a reaction.
It’s not rage, it’s amusement from watching the slow motion train wreck.
Yeah, still doesn’t belong here though.
Like it or not, it’s tech news. When Intel does something interesting, or Google wets the bed again, we’ll talk about that a lot, then. Right now it’s Elon doing dumb stuff. Last month it was spez. If we ban every hot news topic, what’s left to discuss?
I was under the impression that this was a community to discuss technology, not one that discusses the business decisions of companies in the technology sector, and certainly not the decisions of a social media company that is only tangentially related to the technology sector.
Whether we like it or not, it’s pretty damn hard to separate technology from business (and also politics)
The direction of technological advancement, as it stands today, is largely driven by businesses. What technologies are developed and what they get used for, depends on who’s throwing money at it and how they want to make money from it.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m sick of hearing about Musk. But the internet is one of the most amazing technological achievements humanity has ever created, and a lot of people use it for Twitter/X, and so their business decisions have pretty far-reaching implications for the rest of the internet. Trying to ignore that leaves out big chunks of the picture.
I was kind of hoping for content about new or interesting technology not news about mainstream tech business stuff.
I want to hear about developments in tech like AI, batteries, biotech, robotics, and so on. Things that give us hope or terror. :)
News about idiot CEOs being douchebags isn’t technology. Is business news. It isn’t an advancement. It isn’t novel. It isn’t the most interesting topics in technology.
Maybe it’s just me idk.
I think you’re missing the point that we’re here to discuss technology not the business of it.
Just because technology is driven by business processes doesn’t mean that this form must also be consumed by discussion over business processes that are only somewhat related to technology.
I’m not sure why this distinction is difficult. If you want a technology politics community then make one, stop polluting technology with technology politics.
Apparently not, given how many people post and upvote articles about technology business.
But frankly, I don’t think you can isolate technology from the business and politics around it. You can choose to only talk about specs and functionality, but it is often being driven by business interests regardless.
“Google invents a new standard” is very different from “Google CEO does a big dumb dumb”
Unless you are talking about some social blunder they have done during vacations, “Google CEO does a big dumb dumb” is sure to have implications for the technology and the users of said technology. As Elon Musk’s decisions are having to the structure of Twitter’s platform and their users.
At this point I think it’s very misguided from technology enthusiasts to believe that the matter can be discussed in isolation and detached from human interests. In fact many of the ills of social media, gaming and AI came about because the matters were handled in such a way, and consequently they had political implications.
They were not designed in isolation from business and politics either. Phones moved away from 3.5mm to only have a single USB/Lightning input so that they could sell more wireless earbuds, and iPhones will be forced to change use USB-C due to an European Union decision. Business. Politics. Technology.
But why google created a new standard, what the standard is, how it will be used, what other companies will adopt that standard, when products using that new standard will become available, etc. are all on the business side of things, and so can be directly affected by Google’s CEO doing a big dumb dumb. Without the business side of things actually making things happen, a new standard is just a bunch of rules that someone wrote down.
Remove business from the equation, and you’re mostly left with technical papers that describe hypothetical technology that no one is actually making, and hobbyists cobbling together gadgets in the basement or writing code in their free time for fun. And don’t get me wrong, that’s cool stuff too, but it’s a much more niche community.
In an ideal world, we’d probably have about 3 different communities, one dedicated to the businesses side of technology, one dedicated to pure technology with specs and technical papers and such disconnected from business, and a 3rd one where we discuss both aspects and how they come together in the real world. Since we only have the one main community though, to me at least, the third approach seems most appropriate for here. If you feel so strongly about it, perhaps you should consider creating those other communities, perhaps call them something like TechBusiness and PureTechnology.
The two are inseparable unfortunately. Business and the actual technology itself are closely intertwined. Talking about technology in a vacuum can be somewhat interesting, but it doesn’t work in an online forum. Applications of the technology are going to require business. And if you can’t discuss the applications, what will you discuss? An online forum doesn’t have enough subject matter experts to solely discuss the technology.
I agree tech and applications of it tend to go together. But dumb business decisions of tech that has gone mainstream like telephones and PCs certainly doesn’t have to enter the discussion. And they don’t always tie to application of tech.
As a counterpoint, there’s still plenty of tech news that isn’t necessarily business related for telephones, with constantly developing smartphone technologies. I don’t know that going mainstream precludes it from offering good discussion.
Would not be opposed to a new community that focuses on the business side of tech companies!
Twitter isn’t a tech company any more than Visa or the New York Times are. Twitter uses technology. They do not develop, produce, or sell technology products or services. It is a media company that sells advertising space and subscriptions, just like a newspaper, something no one would call a tech company.
Oh, and an interesting follow on, if someone runs a technology consultancy, can they post about their business successes and issues? They’re in the tech business after all. Or is this simply limited to the who’s who of bad actors? The big, 3 4, 10, 15? What is the cut off?
A post about a tech company would at least be relevant, but Twitter isn’t a tech company.
I disagree. It’s not tech news. Twitter or X losing a few subscribers to mastadon or threads is a Sunday. And on Monday we’ll get an article about people moving in the other direction. Distilling entire categories of news to one person or company makes us less informed, not more. We’re just echoing the same talking points back and forth at eachother.
I’m definitely not saying Elon or Twitter is NEVER tech news but, jesus, I don’t need or want to know about every tweet he makes and every shit he takes. I also don’t think these things shouldn’t be recorded in some way. But the magnitude it’s posted is straight up Elon worship whether you hate him or support him.
I do what I’m able and willing by downvoting items that aren’t news or discussion-worthy and not interacting with those comment sections but there is just so much. Is there a place to just read news about technology and not tech business tweets turned into “news” stories? This is a genuine question if someone has info.
I guess it’s subjective, but from my perspective the weekly thought bubbles of billionaire / millionaire owners of tech companies is not what I think of when I think about “tech news”.
Is the solution here to have megathreads?
For me personally I’d be happy enough for someone to create a redditandtwitternews community and then ban any such news from this community - but I’m pretty sure my views on this are not generally held.
Edit: actually no, I don’t think it is really subjective. If twitter invented a new database language that would be tech news. A social media company re-branding is not tech news.
There is now a megethread about said site.
I support your idea.
What technology from Twitter is being discussed?
You mean like non-reactionary content? Stuff that teaches us, and we learn, and we feel hope? Quality rather than hyperbole.
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Ex- fucking- xactly! People keep talking about him. I don’t understand fucking why. My suspicion is that they have a team of people to open discussions about him, so the media is talking abiut him. Otherwise I cant imagine someone that wants to keep talking about him. Its nuts! Just let him die already.
I watch because it’s my favorite train wreck
People don’t seem to get this. The downfall of one of the largest tech companies in the world, that became rather well integrated into our society, is a slow motion car accident that’s entertaining to watch.
My favorite technology is bronze smelting.
What about you guys?
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But it isn’t. Culture and technology was transmitted into the future for millennia prior to writing was developed.
Personally I’m more of an irrigation fanboy. I just love an efficient way to get water to my crops.
The plow. The greatest of all inventions.
I personally feel the trebuchet is the pinnacle of engineering, which is the superior siege weapon.
Ah, but how did the designer of the first trebuchet have time to perfect their design? Someone else grew extra food for them. How did the farmer produce this surplus bounty? By using the plow!
But you’re right, the trebuchet is indeed the superior siege weapon.
Pff, where’s my lever gang at?
Where my fulcrum bros at
They’re fighting the inclined plane gang
Screw them, they’re going downhill.
They’re attached via an inclined plane wrapped helical around an axis.
I like cement. Roman cement with quicklime. Shit cracks on the limestone flakes which erode and re-calcify within all the micro-fractures. Fuckin Romans were mad smart.
Do you smelt bronze from bars or can you smelt directly from ores?
I’m a pretty big fan of food preservation. Ancient methods like smoking and pickling, to modern ones like freeze drying. Shout out Steve1989MREInfo!
Huge fan of lead refinement.
Laden or unladen?
Typewriters and fountain pens for me.
Seriously idgaff about how a media business is performing.
Agreed. News about X is not news about technology.
I get why we all talk so much about Elon, but man I wish collectively as a society we could all agree to stop talking about him so he could disappear into obscurity
Yes! Social media gossip is NOT “technology”.
But it’s news about tech.
It is not
It’s about a website that is on the internet that runs on technology
Electrons go zoomy through the internets
Tubes or something like that
And by your swiss cheese logic, everything we do these days is tech news.
It’s a common fallacy that drops community quality like a rock.
It’s like programming horror being flooded with things that aren’t even marginally related to programming. But since technically all our technology is programmed, then it’s technically programming related.
Well now all I can think of is cheese while I’m on a technology community. My day is ruined.
Sounds like an improvement though.
Production of cheese is a technology, so…
Are you seriously trying to argue that social media is not technology?
No, they are arguing that everything is technically technology. So we should turn this community into a basket weaving forum.
I call the underwater basket weaving sub community
But what is the “everything” being discussed? A Tech CEO’s decisions and changes over a social media platform, which is a widely used technology. Nevermind the business aspects that exist everywhere, is it even reasonable to talk of social media, technology dedicated towards social connections, without addressing the social aspects involved?
Why don’t we have articles about Burger King then? They have a website on the Internet that runs on technology.
Found a handy script to minimize this:
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/471718-lemmy-post-keyword-filter
Yeah. Just because a tech company does something, that doesn’t make it technology news. Call me when there’s actual technologic development coming out.
my coffee maker has Bluetooth
So that it can hear music and take work calls without disturbing you while it makes you coffee?
Now this is the sort of hard hitting technical news that I come here for /s
I am automatically down voting everything with musk in title
Please and thank you.
