Summary:
Democrats are becoming increasingly concerned about a possible drop in Black voter turnout for the 2024 presidential election, according to party insiders. The worries arise from a 10% decrease in Black voter turnout in the 2022 midterms compared to 2018, a more substantial decline than any other racial or ethnic group, as per a Washington Post analysis. The decline was particularly significant among younger and male Black voters in crucial states like Georgia, where Democrats aim to mobilize Black voter support for President Biden in 2024.
The Democratic party has acknowledged the need to bolster their outreach efforts to this demographic. W. Mondale Robinson, founder of the Black Male Voter Project, highlighted the need for Democrats to refocus their attention on Black male voters, who have shown lower levels of engagement. In response, Biden’s team has pledged to communicate more effectively about the benefits that the Black community has reaped under Biden’s administration, according to Cedric L. Richmond, a senior advisor at the Democratic National Committee.
However, Black voter advocates have identified deep-seated issues affecting Black voter turnout. Many Black men reportedly feel detached from the political process and uninspired by both parties’ policies. Terrance Woodbury, CEO of HIT Strategies, a polling firm, suggests that the Democratic party’s focus on countering Trump and Republican extremism doesn’t motivate younger Black men as much as arguments focused on policy benefits. Concerns are growing within the party that if they fail to address these issues, disenchanted Black voters might either abstain or, potentially, be swayed by Republican messaging on certain key issues.
From a non-US standpoint this is rather easy:
You have 2 geriatric options. Option 1 would lead to a dictatorship. Option 2 would lead to the - non-ideal - status quo.
How the fuck do you even have to think about which option would be better???
The Dems have ran non ideal status quo candidates for so long it becomes fatiguing so people stay home or write in Snoop Dogg.
While I totally understand the frustration - apathy cannot be a solution in this scenario!
You’d rather sit at home and watch your democracy go up in flames than just make an “x” on a piece of paper or a screen? Seriously, come on man…
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Democracy is going up in flames either way, the question is whether we want it fast or slow. The only way to stop it is for the Dems to put up decent candidates who want to stop the slide, and thus far, they’ve declined to do so. So while yes, we should keep voting blue to slow the slide, we shouldn’t be stupid enough to believe that doing so is enough to stop it.
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While I totally understand the frustration - apathy cannot be a solution in this scenario!
Then quit accepting it from those we elect.
Don’t be an idiot. It’s been going on for so long, and the two party FPTP system is so broken, that this disgruntlement is justified. If neither party changes, and if voting for the less bad choice is construed as endorsement, them what other choice does a conscientious voter have?
You do understand that the choice you are essentially voting for, if you don’t vote, is a fundamentalist dictatorship that will tell you how to live your life, and imprison you if you don’t obey, while taking your freedoms and wealth anyway even if you do. Yes?
Apathy is fine as long as both parties believe in running a democracy. The gop no longer does.
You don’t. You don’t understand the frustration. You’re not part of this you’re just a casual observer with an opinion formed from the outside.
I see alot of don’t let perfect be the enemy of good rhetoric and it comes off to me as “I’ve done fairly well in this system, I’m OK with it being rigged to its core”
Last non-ideal Dem for President was… Kerry?
Clinton was definitely not ideal, lol. Just another corporate dem. I still voted for her though.
Clinton is my favorite politician, and I could not have been more excited to work on her campaign
What makes her your favorite?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-dreams-open-borders-leaked-speech-/
And her health care and immigration policies. Experience in gov and general way of looking at the world. I stan a queen.
My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the Hemisphere,” she said in the May 2013 speech to the Brazilian bank Banco Itau.
This gets me hard
Clinton probably would have been just as good as president for a third term as her first two.
non-ideal over violent civil war
this is not a tough decision, my friend
Exactly. I live in America and I can’t believe the stupidity of some of these comments like “well because they’re running Joe Biden I won’t vote waaaah!” Ok, then enjoy your dictatorship? It culturally is the worst thing I hate about being here.
Because the dictatorship is a minor inconvenient side effect of their team winning.
This is exactly it.
Also:
he’s not as bad as the Democrats say, they are just mad because their team lost"
…followed by endless rationalization and moving goalposts
The dictatorship is the end goal.
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Easy is subjective. The choice is obvious but having to vote for someone you know doesn’t represent most of us isn’t easy. It’s a hard thing that we have to do. Nobody is thinking about what option to vote for here. We’re grieving the decision that’s already been made for us because there’s no acceptable alternative. But thanks for your contributions. It’s always so very helpful when people that don’t even live our lives roll up to state the obvious.
Because the status quo at this point will also kill millions, just slower.
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An actual fascist dictatorship IS the real threat. What do you think trump will do if he wins?
Yep. These “I just won’t vote” comments are naive.
We have lost the Supreme Court to Republicans and they put in three hack judges. We have lost the House. We barely have a 50/50, and some paid off Dems like Tricia Cotham who was a GOP plant switched sides. Steve Bannon is running chaos agent RFK Jr. to try to screw up Dem votes. We cannot pass any bills, really. We are at risk of Trump or a Hitler clone like Desantis running. We are at high risk of fascism right now.
The LAST thing we need right now is to whine about current candidate availability. We are not in a position to do so. To not vote, or even vote third party right now in our tenuous position is suicide. We can fix these things later. But not now. The goal right now is to get in enough Democrats to repair what Trump did. Then prevent it from happening again. And it takes time.
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If fascism comes to America, it will be at the hands Donald Trump or one of his devotees.
I think this mentality is what let’s fascism take root. And capitalism has a natural bent for it. So trump has already done his worst damage imo. It’s what continues to grow from it that is concerning.
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Yeah this is why I’m glad things aren’t looking great for Desantis lately.
I just don’t bother voting. We need a large majority of eligible voters, those who actually don’t believe in the system, to stop showing up. When the tide goes out, we can all see who’s swimming naked.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve read in this thread. I can’t imagine you’re anything but a troll trying to get people not to vote.
Neither party represents me
I’m not from the US either, but I’m pretty sure there’s a third choice - staying home.
I was mostly referring to the (likely) candidates as options, but yes, sadly you are right. Doesnt help that by design it is more difficult to vote for certain groups than others. Still. If I had to take a day off and risk my job by doing so - It would be worth it to prevent a dictatorship!
That’s a vote for Hitler V2
First of all, not voting is, by definition, not a vote for anyone or anything. Second, the right to vote always includes the right to not vote for any of the given choices.
Sure. But failure to vote against Hitler is supporting fascism.
What does it say about the democratic party that they praise this system, uphold it, and use it as a cudgel to shame people into voting for them? Top democratic members, including biden, claim that we need a strong republican party. Why do we need a strong fascist party? To scare people into voting for the democrats who are republican-lites, of course.
They mean a strong opposition party without fascists. The Rs are led by an actual Nazi who has stated his desire to obliterate all who oppose him If that’s not enough to motivate you, it means you’re okay with it.
This just screams “I can fix him!” but for a political party. The republican party is a lost cause, even assuming your charitable interpretation of what they said, it’s an impossible task. That democrats insist that we must keep them strong means that they’re not only okay with fascism, they actively encourage it. It is the natural evolution of capitalism, after all, and democrats are all about that. While they’re enabling fascism, democrats think they have a monopoly on morality and that if you don’t vote for them then it’s your fault that fascism exists… which, again, they enable.
I’ve said this elsewhere, but I vote for democrats every single time, I’m just not stupid enough to think it’s going to make things better. That’s simply not the goal of democrats.
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While I didn’t really want Biden in 2020, after his administration’s record so far, I can honestly say I do want more of that. Not to say I wouldn’t rather have someone much better and more left, but I’m pretty sure nobody better will be any more successful than Biden has been, given the Republican opposition in Congress.
What I really want is fewer Republicans in Congress, and short of moving to another district, there isn’t much more I can do there. My district’s congressmen are fantastic.
People are braindead if they don’t vote Biden again. Sure we don’t want him, but do we want Hitler 2.0 instead? Because Ron Desantis is a preview of that if a Republican wins. Biden will then be gone next time and we’ll have a younger candidate. Sadly, voting takes time. Remember that it took decades of this shit for Republicans to steal the Supreme Court.
I agree with you, but the point is that we could have had a candidate people could get excited about, instead we have a candidate whose biggest selling point (as you yourself say) is “not Hitler 2.0”
Any real leftist movement is quashed by design as evidenced by the rampant fascism holding us hostage…IMHO.
I remember John Kerry ran as “Not Bush”, and I felt like a large part of Hilary’s campaign was “Not Trump”. Running as an opposition candidate instead of a candidate in their own right, almost never works.
That “lesser of two evils” logic is what allowed this to happen. Next time it’ll be some other boogeyman on one side and the other side will say “yeah, our guy sucks but you could have other guy if you don’t vote for our guy”
They never get around to the important job of making sure their candidate isn’t shit. The only thing to do is to actually let it burn down so someone useful can rise from the ashes.
Having one third of the population consistently not vote is what causes this to happen. The democratic voters vote at a much lower rate than do Republican boomers for example
I agree with the other user who said this a terrible take.
Biden is who the Democratic party selected overwhelmingly (to my chagrin) and there is nobody who can beat him in a primary (the person who theoretically could already lost before, and immediately endorsed Biden this time around).
It also makes no sense to take out the guy we know will beat Trump.
If Biden is reelected then he will be 86 years old at the end of the second mandate.
86 !
Bill Clinton, Georges W Bush and Barack Obama are still younger than him. Except than Clinton was elected 30 years ago.
Americans are desperate for change, but half of them want to go backward and half want to go forward. Add to that it basically takes a supermajority to pass legislation that makes real changes and well… you’re pretty much left with things you can do via the executive branch.
So yes, a big part of the problem is that neither party really has the ability to appeal to the other “side” at all. We need sweeping social change before we get sweeping political change.
Terrible take as this admin has lassoed the country and reigned things in. Sure, let’s cut the rope.
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I don’t think DeSantis is charismatic or likable enough to beat Biden. His poll numbers go down as the public gets more exposure to him. He’s starting to shift his messaging from anti-woke to (neo-fascist) populist rhetoric, which may change things. IDK, there’s so many things that could happen between now and the election. I think Trump could beat DeSantis in the primary from prison. A major crisis like a recession would hand the election to the Reps. The Reps could intentionally cause a crisis, by forcing an extended government shutdown or something.
I couldn’t agree more.
People are way too worried about this.
Republicans got what they wanted when Roe V. Wade was overturned. Now they get to watch purple states become blue for the foreseeable future.
Democrats don’t care if they win. They aren’t a political party
I always viewed Biden as the lemon I suck on to cleanse my palette between courses, now they want the lemon to be the whole damn meal.
Better than a shit in your mouth? I don’t have to be excited to vote for a lemon but I sure as fuck will to avoid a mouth full of shit. Oh and the reality of what a republican pres will do to the environment.
This is the only sane and rational opinion in the entire thread. Thank fuck for people like you.
Fuck this system, we could have Bernie instead but corporate money don’t like that so we got our democracy adultered and only had Biden to choose from last time
Then maybe get a better candidate? I’m pretty sure most sane Americans will vote for anyone not Trump. It’s not that hard, just use another candidate…
Dems: best we can do is this incredibly old man, and this roided up nutjob. Good luck everybody!
If they got a better candidate, they would have to represent their constituents. Democrats don’t want that. They want to ride high on Republican tax policies.
Unfortunately almost half of Americans are not sane.
I think you mean almost half of all voting districts.
one of the biggest issues, in my humble and also arrogant opinion, is that no political party in any English-speaking country, represents any interests of anyone earning under 7 figures. Maybe even 8 figures, and they have 0 interest or motivation in changing that — despite the lip-service both main parties make for it.
Correct, but no one on the right is advocating for the working class while a decent amount of the left are pro union and pro worker.
Just because both candidates are bad choices does not mean they are equally as bad. The DNC & RNC decide who is the candidate, let’s be real. Primaries are rigged, so we get “a shit sandwich vs a giant douche” as South Park put it so eloquently.
not to be too sophist about it - but while I agree party members care — the salient word in my above post is represent.
it doesn’t matter if the captain doesn’t want you to get shot if the general is telling the private to shoot you.
That tracks, with I think a couple exceptions on the left. As a whole, yes absolutely.
I might have misread what I perceived to be a false equivalency about both sides being equally bad though.
Like saying Louie CK and Cosby are the same thing because they both did sexual crimes
Same same, but different
It feels like a significant amount of the democratic party really do. There are a few that ruin it but most are behind minimum wage increases, green energy, taxing the rich, better education and health care. They need a majority not a tie
The few that ruin it dictate everything.
Threat of violence is the only way to get change
Are they “loyal” because they have no other choice? There’s your problem.
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You’d better believe I’ll turn out. I don’t care if Biden is sometimes a disaster, I vote D to protect my LGBT friends. Accelerationism only hurts people
I don’t care if Biden is sometimes a disaster
“Studies show that poor kids are just as capable of succeeding academically as white kids.”
Sure, hey have you seen some of the shit spewing forth from Trumps oral orface?
A gaffer gaffing vs a sexual predator gleefully admitting on tape he commits sexual assault and steals secret documents
So racism is ok as long as it doesn’t effect you? Next you’ll tell me it’s not ok but then you’ll double down anyways, happens every time
What you should have said was nothing.
I’m black so that’s even more racist and exactly what I’m talking about and why Democrats are going to lose. Just stop being racist
You gonna use racism to push towards republican viewpoints?
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If racism is the only factor here then Biden is an angel compared to Trump.
So I’m not sure what you’re getting at unless you’re just trying to be contrarian?
Ironic considering your font is peak Nazi
You aren’t shocking anybody by pointing out an 80 year old is a tad bit racist.
But you are actively being a liar if your point is that Biden’s level of racism is anywhere near the Republican party.
I’m 40+, but youngsters are probably thinking, ‘Vote for old white guy #1 or old white guy #2, who cares, neither can relate.’ I voted for Joe last time only because Bernie wasn’t running. I’m thinking Marianne Williamson this time, though. I don’t know if Joe will make it, and I definitely don’t want Kamala as president. She put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.
'Vote for old white guy #1 or old white guy #2, who cares, neither can relate.
Anyone who actually thinks this way is so far off base it’s unbelievable. Politics isn’t a personality contest. It’s ruthless, calculated pragmatism.
I’m thinking Marianne Williamson this time, though. I don’t know if Joe will make it, and I definitely don’t want Kamala as president. She put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.
This is an incredibly privileged and out of touch opinion. The damage that Republican policies will inflict on this country is egregious and you’re going to base your vote on the fact that Kamala put people in jail for weed? This isn’t a game. This isn’t a happy democracy where we show up and vote for our feelings. This is literally a calculated political exercise. Your attitude is dangerous and by NOT voting for harm-reducing policies you are contributing to a worse America.
you don’t seem to know what harm reduction means. it’s not voting for the architect of the crime bill.
If the alternative is worse then yes, it’s voting for the architect of the crime bill. It’s not ideal but it’s still harm reduction.
harm reduction is accepting that the thing is going to happen (some shitty politician is going to win) and trying to mitigate that harm.
ie harm reduction in regards to iv drug use is providing safe needles, injection sites, and testing kits.
dont try to conflate sucking bidens dick with reducing the harm from the government.
Harm reduction is reducing harm. Pretty straight forward.
If Politician A wants to pass harmful drug laws and Politician B wants to do even worse, then voting for Politician A is harm reduction.
that is not what harm reduction is and you should stop spreading misinformation along with your bad advice and politics.
Just curious, if Marianne doesn’t get the Democratic nomination do you still plan on voting for the Democratic nominee?
Regardless of your feelings about Harris, (I have similar feelings) you must recognize that having her as president would be, by far, the lesser evil when compared to Trump especially if you’re concerned about excessive imprisonment / decriminalization of marijuana.
I’ll be voting for Joe if Marianne doesn’t get the nomination. Trump is a conman and a criminal in my eyes. Joe is a corporate Democrat and I would much rather have a a social Democrat. I’ll take what I can get though.
I agree with you in principle, but please hold your nose and vote for Joe like I will be doing. Splitting the vote is how we’ll end up with a second Trump presidency.
Forcing unliked or unwanted candidates is how the Dems lose elections. Dems absolutely are ass at primary voting.
Let’s show them…that we aren’t reliable voters and shouldn’t be their core of support
It’s less about the race and age of the person and more about the politics. Bernie was “old white guy” but he excited young voters. They couldn’t overcome the behemoth party machine and their big media buddies working hard to redirect voters.
Criminal justice is what got me political in the first place tbh. I can abide by your line on kamala. And I would love a female president.
Say, for the sake of the argument, there are only 2 viable candidates. Guy #1 wants to kill 1 million people and Guy #2 wants to kill 2 million people who do you vote for?
You vote for Guy #1. You flyer, donate, and campaign for Guy #1. If you vote for some 3rd party who can never win you aren’t being brave or informed, you’re literally doing nothing while Guy #2 tries to kill 2 million people.
We don’t live in a happy, beautiful world where we have the privilege of picking the policies we want to enact. We have 2 choices and they are “bad” and “worse”. This isn’t about your feelings. This is about the actual impact that bad policy will have on millions and millions of Americans.
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Democrats have done a shit job at selling their victories as well as their vision for the country, as always.
Then come election time they are always wondering why aren’t Democratic voters more excited to vote for them.
I am so sick of that same cycle repeating over and over again. Republicans voters are so adamant about getting their people in power that they will break the law and vote twice, and Dem voters aren’t excited enough to even show up at the polls.
I also have to add that it’s infuriating that the Dems are so splintered of a party that they consider black voters are their most loyal demographic. Nothing against them, but for fucks sakes guys at best black folks only represent 13% of the population. You can’t win any elections even if you won every single black vote. They aren’t even the largest minority group. Latinos represent just under 20% but many of them support the GOP. Dems need to stop turning their backs on some much larger demographic groups out there. Because they focus on just a few smaller groups, that’s why they are always scrounging for votes even in elections that they should have in the bag. It is embarrassing how poorly run the Democratic party is, quite frankly.
It’s insane that racist people like you aren’t banned from here yet, you’re the same anti-black racist that made me leave reddit years ago and now you’re here to spread your anti-black garbage again
You people need to join the nazi party because that’s all you represent anymore, you’re literally siding with White Nationalism and repeating their same rhetoric
LOL
Get bent. I didn’t say a single thing that is “anti black” but apparently these days unless you are actively pandering to certain groups and lavishing them with endless praise, you are automagically labeled as being “anti-” by mentally impaired individuals.
As someone who voted Barr-Romney-Johnson-Biden I’m gonna be in the booth pissed I’m voting for Biden again considering the libertarians fully lost the plot and Republicans went full fascist with trump
I miss Uncle Gary.
I voted for Romney because I didn’t like the Johnson wing of the party…. I felt it was a bit to far down the end of burn it all down. He reeled it back in a little bit then I remember a crowd booing him for stating drivers licenses aren’t bad or something and I knew it had gone full unhinged.
What a legend, too bad he died of a weed overdose during that interview
It’s pretty obvious who to vote for considering Republicans are actively attacking our country. Sorry, I don’t vote for terrorists.
Well I’ll be there, but it’s just because I’d vote for a dead cat over anything the GOP will dredge up.
Democrats only lose if the Democrats beat themselves. And they seem to be trying to do that.
Cackles in Kamala Harris
He was too old the first time, I’m surprised he made it this long. I was under the impression that their plan was to have biden die during his term so kamala became the first woman president.
“… Their plan was to have Biden die…”
Can you hear yourself? That’s f’ng crazy.
My dad said the same shit. He got it from his Facebook echo chamber. Except they called her was gross names.
I dont think theyre plan was to outright let him die during the presidency, but I did think they would bust out the 25th amendment at least a year ago to put Kamala in charge
You think they didn’t consider the possibility when they chose a 78 year old to run for president? It was probably more likely than not. Now even more so.
The possibility is considered with every election. That’s why there are two names on the ticket.
Goddamn. ok. Double down on crazy then. Who exactly is “they” here, in your worldview, may I ask?
Jesus dude, I’m not talking about some secret society world order bullshit.
Literally the democratic party decides who can run for leader of their party, you think Joe Biden just randomly says he wants to run and everyone says sure? Otherwise he would have to run as an independent.
Also, Kamala is a pretty bad choice too due to her record as a district attorney. I still can’t believe the Democrats ran with her despite police reform being such a huge issue in 2020
Lol I can believe it, do you think the Democrats actually want to do anything about the police?