As long as they limit the passengers to people with a net worth of 100 million or higher, then I think this should be encouraged.
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“It’s not gonna implode, is it?”
“Haha, of course not!”
“Whew”
“It’s space so it’ll explode!”
“How many atmospheres can this thing withstand?”
“Well it’s a spaceship, so anywhere between zero and 1.”
The one. On the outside. And it is mandatory as well.
As we disembark the planet please let oligarchs and billionaires go first. They took all the risk to achieve such great things. And if you look deep down (12,500’) you will see this is the way it has to be.
That reminds me of that scene in the Douglas Adam’s Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, where
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the Golgafrinchans invent an incoming world-ending tragedy, in an excuse to send into space all people with useless/supefluous jobs (bureaucrats, hairdressers, telephone cleaners, etc.) to a new planet, saying that the remaining parts of society will come after.
One must not forget that after including people like telephone sanitizers under what they deemed superfluous, the Golgafrinchans all died out from a plague contracted from a dirty telephone.
I respect the attempt to capitalise on a tragedy. Or possibly I’m disgusted by it. Either way.
Isn’t that the planet that is hotter than the planet that sits closer to the sun, has incredibly high atmospheric pressure and something that is not water rains from the skies?
Seems like a paradise, if we’re considering using a nearby planet as a toxic waste dump.
If you float high enough, you can get 1atm of pressure and not too much heat. You’d be above the nasty weather. You’d only need a very minimal space suit and breathing apparatus as well. But ocean gate is literally the last company I’d trust with that.
Sulfuric acid rains, yes. How fun!
Why don’t they do a floating colony on Earth first as a test?
They did, it just didn’t float.
If you go to Mars you can land and explored all possibilities inherent to being on the ground (including, most importantly, using the water ice from the south pole).
Venus on the other hand is a ball of rock wrapped in a dense and hot acid soup: you’de have to beat way worse technical challenges for, maybe, being able to locally extract from the athmosphere chemical compounds which you can just as easilly make on Earth (it’s mostly CO2 and sulfuric acid, though apparently it has 20 ppm of water).
It would make more sense to just have a moon base.
This is a scam.
I don’t wanna defend the guy but he did say floating colony, the atmosphere about 1 km up from the surface sits at earthlike temperatures and pressures-- astronauts would only need a breathing mask and some light skin protection as opposed to a pressure suit which is a major advantage.
My point is was twofold:
- What’s the point of floating up there if you can’t actually land because the challenges to do that are immense?
- What about the whole sulfuric acid problem?
It’s not as much the feasability of floating in the upper athmosphere of Venus that I was worried about, it’s that getting anywhere interesting from there is either enormously hard (hot sulfuric acid soup to go down) or useless (back to orbit from where you came and where you could just have stayed) and probably no fun by itself and unecessarily risky due to the sulfuric acid.
Tourism-wise a Moon base makes a lot more sense and is a lot more feasible for now than that, IMHO, whilst it also doesn’t seem to make sense to set up a floating base on Venus’ athmosphere to extract resources from it (because on Earth we’re hardly low on CO2 or sulfur).
PS: Thinking about it, a floating station on Earth’s athmosphere would probably be more fun than that also.
I mean, there’s basically no good economic reason for any space colonization whatsoever, outside of potentially the asteroid belt. Neither Venus nor Mars have significant resources that aren’t found in similar abundance on Earth, where extraction is orders of magnitude cheaper and easier. Tourism would be an industry, but it would almost certainly be an extremely niche business similar to OceanGate’s Titanic visits, Blue Origin’s launches, or stuff like Dear Moon. Rich people might pay very well to go visit Mars or Venus or the Moon but that pay certainly would not be enough to offset the trillions of dollars (yes, trillions) and decades that true colonization would take.
With that in mind, discussions of real space colonization are entirely theoretical and probably always will be, at least within our lifetimes. It is very conceivable that humans will land on Mars and maybe establish permanent research outposts there, on the Moon, or hypothetically Venus. But those would be far more similar to something like the ISS-- hosting a rotating crew of mostly astronauts and the occasional space tourist. I find it hard to imagine an economic case for anything more anywhere in the solar system within a reasonable span of time.
May be a silly question, but how would you go about making a floating colony? I dont think we have the tech to keep a city perpetually floating.
The theory is that since most of Venus’ atmosphere is CO2 at this level, the breathable atmosphere of a human habitat is actually bouyant, which would make suspending a colony much easier.
Doing something like that on the scale of a research presence like the ISS is within the realm of current technology-- but you are right that doing so for a whole city is not technically possible at the moment-- nor is true space colonization in general, I would argue. There’s a lot of unknowns and unsolved problems.
You know what the problem with space travel is?
Every ‘what if’ question is answered with ‘you die.’
What if there’s a leak in the spacecraft? What if we run out of food? What if we veer off course? What if the thrusters fail? etc.
I highly doubt and I’ll put $100 down that this doesn’t happen in 2050 because the difficulties and infrastructure just aren’t there for 1000 or even 100 people to do this.
Ok, but 2050 is over 25 years away. If he can get people to sign on then he can get some money coming in, and he’ll be a billionaire running away to Brazil long before 2050. It seems to me that his plan is solid.
… You know what, that’s an excellent idea.
Hey do you want to go to live on Mars? I have a solid plan and you can put a downpayment right now to secure your seat! Hurry, only 3 spots remaining!
Sorry, you’ve got to come up with something unique. You can’t just copy Mars One. At least pick a new planet! (It sounds like Venus is taken now as well, you snooze you lose)
Ah sheeit, well if we can’t go up then we must go down! Journey to the centre of the earth where it’s probably going to be colder than up here in 25 years!
Now you’re talking! Where can I sign up? I have more money than sense so I’d be willing to throw a few hundred thousand for a ticket, or even a million if you’ll put me on the first trip!
Jules Verne already went there, durr. It’s where the dinosaurs migrated to! Wait… Dino safari?
(you guys are hilarious)It’s called Agarta bro, that’s where the dinosaurs went
You’re stuck in the 90s
I mean, not every what if, some at least leave the possibility to address the situation, consider the case of Apollo 13 for example. A great many risks can also be reduced with redundancy, for example, having your maneuvering systems fail is not as bad if your craft has an extra set of maneuvering thrusters. Air travel has similarly high risk of death if major components fail, and yet that has been made safe enough to be made commonplace.
I agree that it won’t happen by 2050 though. We’ve never sent humans on an interplanetary mission before, development of new spacecraft takes many years, especially manned systems, and Venus is an especially tough environment to build for. 2050 is less than three decades away, I’d guess that we might have at most a small research outpost on the moon by then, assuming no major delays or cuts to our current program to return there, and there’s no guarantee of that. I’d be surprised if even one person was sent to Venus by that year.
Ahh yeah the yearly “who can say bigger bullshit than Elon Musk” competition. The rally is strong this year
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To be clear, this is marketing crap to gather investors. Pretty much all “space colonization” proposals are. I was just talking about the theoretical technical feasibility.
OcanGate must be controlled by anarchist lizard people, posing themselves as being millionaires, with a secret plan to kill all of earth’s rich people.
Cool let’s start with all of their friends and family.
yea… at least mars has the potential of people being able to walk on the surface (with spacesuits).
Venus… Well. It’s pretty deadly. Its like the Australia of planets. Everything will kill you.
Deadly winds. Acid rain. Scorching hot.
Isn’t, too many positive traits…
Gotta love rich people trying to make their personal space kingdom instead of fixing the mess they made down here.I call dibs on the joypad. Don’t worry, I’m decedent at Gran Turismo.
