Haley might be the smartest person in the GOP room right now. She got herself a gig in the Trump administration, but one that kept her in NYC and away from most of the crazies in the Trump Orbit. She had to promote Trump’s foreign policy, of course, but had wide latitude in terms of how to do it. She notably had a hard line against Russia while we know Trump’s history with Putin.
She was capable of doing her job without stepping in anything foul. And she got some one-on-one time with other high-level diplomats. If there is any dirt on Trump and his foreign business dealings, she has it.
Haley might make a horrible President, but she is not an election denier and she is not in Putin’s pocket, so she already has a few advantages over most of the GOPniks these days.
If there is any dirt on Trump and his foreign business dealings, she has it.
Which is probably why Trump is implying that he has scandalous information about her.
Every accusation a confession. Always.
It’s in the Dictator’s Handbook I think. You can see the exact same thing in Russia’s official communication too.
I wonder what she has on him.
Maybe it was her job to return Putin’s boots after they’d been licked clean.
She’s said she’s pardon the asshole anyway. That kept me from being able to troll vote for her in NH.
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If I had to wager, her plan may be to stay in to the end despite losing every primary, just in case something goes south for Trump legally. Trouble is, he’s going to savage her politically and many of his supporters will never vote for her
Trouble is, he’s going to savage her politically and many of his supporters will never vote for her
Sure. On the other hand…
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article284562880.html
“The worst kept secret in politics is how badly the Democrats want to run against Donald Trump,” Haley said. “A Trump nomination is a Biden win and a Kamala Harris presidency … I defeat Biden handily.”
Yeah this is my understanding.
I don’t really understand it (despite everyone explaining it n times) but if the GOP want to win all they need to do is field a young candidate.
So it all comes down to “do Republicans want to win badly enough that they can suppress their racism and misogyny and vote for a woman of color”. Republicans like winning, but NEVER bet against racism and misogyny with that crew.
Also, a large fraction of the base WILL vote for Trump, and only Trump, whether he’s on the ballot or not, which hurts Haley. And there’s no evidence that the R’s have won over a single new voter since 2020, when they lost.
This all turns on how badly Biden does with HIS base, and that is currently pretty worrying. Democratic voters like unproductive petulance at least as much as Republican voters like racism and misogyny.
Biden definitely hasn’t been unproductive. He just hasn’t been loud enough about his accomplishments.
If a tree falls in the woods and nobody hears it, does it make a sound?
Yea
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I have a non-Biden non-trump candidate now I’m good
I think she’s wrong though. If she were to win, Trump would run an an independent and split the wingnut vote.
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Shes got the Koch billion dollar donation network behind her. I think her plan is to make as much of their money as possible, which they are glad to give to have a possible president directly in their pocket.
So what you are saying is we have found the only non trump anti genocide candidate?
And it pisses him off more?
I’m off to donate to her campaign
No offense but I don’t trust aljazeera on anything involving Israel, their other reporting tends to be fairly good though.
Literally 2 seconds of Googling- https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2023/10/20/nikki-haley-says-she-would-support-israel-strengthen-u-s-military-as-president/
Let me guess, you don’t trust an Iowa newspaper to accurately report on what Nikki Haley said while she was campaigning in Iowa.
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/793847/-/comment/4828421
Thank you for a source that wasn’t aljazeera.
Come on squid, me, you, and pugjesus all have slightly different feelings but we pretty much agree on a lot.
Why make it personal?
I was polite and only asked for a source that was too close to the subject and would undoubtedly have a large amount of bias on this subject .
I know for a fact that you are better than this.
Because acting like the source that gives direct quotes is too biased to trust those quotes is silly. Especially when you’re talking about Al Jazeera, not Newsmax.
Nicely cited. Didn’t even need the snarky jab chaser lol.
He’s not very wrong about Al Jazeera’s editorial bent.
The Al Jazeera article had direct quotes from Haley. Unless your argument is that Al Jazeera fabricates such quotes, and I don’t think there is any evidence they do that, the criticism was wrong.
It would be interesting to see Kamala Harris vs. Nikki Haley in a future election – Two Indian-American woman vying for the US presidency.
interesting in the same way putting tobasco sauce in your eyes is interesting
No thank you
No coronations pls. Let’s have some actual primaries with policy. On both sides.
Not American, so honestly I’d prefer her to be the candidate even if she does beat Biden.
Obviously Biden vs. Trump is more likely to result in a Biden win, but a Haley presidency is arguably preferable to even the risk of a second Trump presidency.
If he’s re-elected and undermines NATO, the risk of Russia making a mistake in the baltics, and things getting out of control are very very real. Trump II is quite simply an existential threat at this point.
Obviously Biden vs. Trump is more likely to result in a Biden win
The sad thing is that we’re not sure. Trump voters don’t vote “rationally”, it’s a cult like thing that was cultivated during Biden’s term. They are taught to refute all facts and go by gut feeling instead.
Don’t think it started then. Fox News, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, hell Father Charles Coughlin and the America First Committee. Suspect it’s partly related to that Asimov quote:
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”
I suspect Trump v Biden would be a tighter race than expected. Trump supporters enthusiasticly show up to vote. The majority of Americans may prefer Biden over trump but will they make the effort to vote for a man they aren’t enthusiastic about?
My reasoning is that no one is particularly enthusiastic about Biden.
People will however turn up to vote against Trump.
Will people turn up to vote against Haley in as large numbers? I have my doubts.
Haley has a much stronger chance of winning the presidency than Trump imo. She could win the independent vote, and Democrat voters may not turn out as much if she’s the alternative.
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He wants her out so he can start fund raising as the de facto nominee. The other reason he wants her out is that it shows his weakness… even if she loses every race it shows that 30-40% of republican primary voters don’t want him. She should stay in at least until Super Tuesday just to piss him off.
She should stay in until the general election. There is a non zero chance he has a stroke or an MI. He is not doing well.
MI = myocardial infarction?
Yes
Cool, I still don’t know what that is but now I can look it up.
MI = HA
fyi
Lol thanks
Last I heard, her plan is exactly that:
Stay in until at least Super Tuesday.
Yuuuuup. I think she’s out raising him, too.
Yes, like all the other narcissists, people (in particular women) not doing what he wants really upsets him. This is nothing new.
Not just women, but since she’s of Indian descent, I’m sure he thinks of her as “a woman of color”. I’m sure she gets under his skin almost as much as other “disrespectful, uppity, don’t know their place” women like Fani Willis and Letitia James, and I’m here for it!
His Achilles heel is people actually opposing him.
Especially when they dare to be women.
This is smart. She’s probably just sitting and waiting for the Supreme Court ruling. By some rare chance that Supreme Court sides the Colorado ruling. Trump is immediately disqualified for running for President and she becomes the nominee by default
It isn’t quite that easy is it? Can’t they simply rule that CO has the right to run their elections how they see fit without weighing in specifically on whether Trump should be disqualified?
They have to walk a very fine line, because too far in either direction fucks them. Give the states too much power and they can kick off trump. Give the states too little power and Democrats can counterattack voter suppression
I love the way you think
It’s not that simple. It sends a message to the entire nation. If it’s held up every voter is aware he is an inferior candidate. And if it doesn’t, the GOP can say “look how bad they are at it”.
That’s true, I just don’t see how they don’t uphold it. Then again, the GOP lives for hypocrisy and their chosen few run the court now so…
Why would she drop out, she’s the leading eligible candidate.
has he tried grabbing her by the pussy?
Yeah. It grabbed him back.
Trump’s long list of Achilles heel’s include rain, wind, 3degree ramps, bottled water and vocabulary.
Bone spurs?
Trump got more heels than a caterpillar.
Trump is himself a heel
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Lets get it right, it’s Russia vs Koch Industries not Hailey vs Trump.
You’ve swapped the order though. Apart from that you are right.
I’m starting to think Trump said something personally to Haley that seriously pissed her off, because she must know she’s not going to win.
I assume she’s hoping to get the Republican nomination by default if Trump is disqualified.
This would be my dream (as a non-American).
I want to see if the deep red Republicans hate Democrats enough to vote for a woman, born to Indian immigrant parents just out of spite.
They won’t, thats my bet.
Let’s be real, all of MAGA is gonna sit this one out crying about fraud if Trump isn’t on the ballet.
Is she playing white really hard right now. It is kind of weird honestly.
and she’s said something to him that really pissed him off: “No.”
because she must know she’s not going to win.
Winning isn’t important. It’s the free money. Colbert showed years ago how PAC money could be transformed into a personal slush fund.
At this point she can only win. Winning the nomination and the election this year is a long shot, that’s certainly true. But whether Trump wins the election by whatever means and inevitably drops dead at some point or he wins the nomination but loses the election, she’s in place as his obvious successor.
It is extremely unlikely that Haley can pull a comeback and win the nomination the conventional way. But there is a non-zero chance that Trump will not be able to accept the nomination, because he may be ineligible/incarcerated/deceased. If that happens, the Republican convention will be a shitshow. (It might turn out to be the real Civil War II if next week is a dud). However, Haley would be going in with a position of strength as the only other candidate with delegates.
There is nothing stopping incarcerated people from running for president, it has been done before. That probably helps to make it less enticing for corrupt politicians and their allies to lock up their opponents on false charges. Unless Trump dies within the next ten months or loses the support of his fanatic base, which both seem unlikely, Trump will be the Republican nominee. Haley might try for VP or try to carry her momentum into 2028.
He recently came out and said she would NEVER be his VP. After that she figured why tip toe around the orange elephant.
Might be early preparation for a 2028 run. She’ll be a familiar face who was “strong enough to go toe to toe with Trump” or something. I dunno much about political calculus.
Plus yeah, this might also be payback to get him tilted.
If Trump wins there won’t be a 2028, homie.
Very true. Let’s do our best to ensure that doesn’t happen.
A lot of people don’t understand this. 2024 will very well be the last real election before we turn into russia-style sham elections which always result in putin getting elected.
Russia’s next honest election will have Putin falling out an inexplicably open window. It can be American history if America goes fascist.
That’s what everybody said about 2020, yet we had an election, Biden was in power, then Biden started enabling and supporting genocide.
Seems like we might have made the wrong choice.
I would rather have an inept evil moron than the competent evil wolf in sheep’s clothing that we got
Bruh, just stop. Nobody is fooled.
What exactly am I trying to fool people with?
How extremely anti-Biden I am?
What I think of the Buffoon Cheeto in chief?
I think it is pretty fucking clear where I stand.
I think it is pretty fucking clear where I stand.
With transphobes and homophobes, apparently
Yes, because I say fuck supporting genocide I must hate transgender and homosexual people.
Did it hurt trying to stretch that much?
Ya, 2020 was the election. That was BEFORE January 6th. Until Trump is in jail, we will continue to have this threat. So far there are 93 indictments. We just need him in jail and then we can breathe slightly easier.
I don’t get it, they had 4 years. Why aren’t people saying that the courts failed the country?
People are basically saying that on every single news story about the man. People are constantly talking about how anybody else would be in jail for the shit he’s done.
These things take time to do right. If they rush, they make it more likely that he’ll get off on a technicality or plausible deniability that they didn’t prepare for because everyone was so focused on getting him right NOW. You need to collect evidence and you need to build a case, and that case has to be air-tight or else the prosecution looks like a bunch of jackasses who wasted public money on an “innocent” man. He cannot be able to win this. The constant stalling and threats of violence from an angry mob of millions of magats gets in the way too.
All that while some poor persons’ trial takes like a day. Like I get it’s more complicated but all that it’s proving is that the justice system is a multi tier system.
It looks Al Capone over 2 years to indict Al Capone and he had 22 indictments. Trump had 93 and across multiple states. Trump took about 3 years to bring his first indictment. So it’s not far off from previous indictments.
I’m hoping that some Dem billionaires are funding her, just to annoy the shit outta Donnie Dipshit.
That is sort of happening minus the Dem part. She’s got the Koch money machine behind her. Which is disgusting and should make clear she’s controllable.
I would laugh out loud to see her goad Donnie into a heart attack live on stage.
But I wouldn’t vote for her in a million years.
I would vote for her in a second if the choice were between her and Donnie.
My partner and I were just talking about going to vote for her if she makes to it our states primaries.
My state has open primaries so I can vote in either parties primary. I’d never actually support either of them but tactically, it might be smarter for me to go support Haley (vote against Trump). My state went for Trump by almost 15 points in 2020, Biden isn’t going to win here. But if Haley can get to the general, I’m 90% sure Trump runs as an independent and splits the GOP vote.
Well yes of course.
I get the feeling she might be playing up to the base but would dial that shit right back in office.
People said the same about trump. When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
The first time.
- Maya Angelou
Haley can sue for malicious intent and defamation of character, after a few weeks of Trump being infuriated.
Now, we know how much it takes for Trump to shut his trap.
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Given the polling she’s not going to win the primary… unless something unprecedented happens. Something that’s never happened in a primary before, like for example, the front-runner gets convicted of a crime during the campaign.
Which I suspect is the reason she’s staying in.
