Probably not a well received opinion but the amount of China promoting drivel that goes on here in lemmy is astounding.
Agree. Tankies are on the loose, and not just on their own servers
Which is the propaganda? The posts touting Chinese achievements in tech, or the posts saying to beware of the Chinese milestones?
Both.
I mostly agree with your statement and we should be aware of both.
Eh, I’ve seen all these same headlines on Hacker News. China is a rapidly developing country with a lot more people, manufacturing, advancements, and news than many other countries so it makes sense that there would be a lot of news coming out of it.
I just visited China for the first time during a business trip a few weeks ago and as an American I was impressed. The US media tries so hard to present only the negative that a lot of Americans aren’t even aware of all the achievements they’ve accomplished.
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They were just complaining about how much pro-China stuff is posted here and you’re replying with this lol
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Like most Chinese products I wouldn’t trust their quality or their customer support, and would expect the thing to spy on me 24/7.
I plan to rip out the power to internet in any future car I get. Cars shouldn’t have to connect to the internet
You do realise that anything made in the USA or even sold to be used in the western world has the CIA sucking it all up.
Like sure China are gonna spy but let’s not pretend the USA, UK, Australia, and Israel ain’t spying on us all.
Exactly…
So, basically no different than we already have…
So why hail them as some revolutionary?
What, modern cars and almost everything else? Who’s hailing general enshitification and literally everything we do being consumed as monetizable data points as “revolutionary”?
The Ora Funky Cat had an issue where it would not terminate charging consistently before unlocking the charging cable, leading to customers being greeted by a loud bang when disconnecting the cable.
On the bright side, if they weren’t completely awake before, they would be afterwards.
In my experience, Chinese products are way better and more affordable than American ones.
Buying American is just a scam to fool people with more money than sense.
Mark Twain was right.
You must not use Amazon.
I was specifically thinking about products I got on Amazon.
Headphones, especially. It really cemented in my mind that most “audiophiles” are just idiots with more money than sense trying to fit in with the same.
In my experience, you’re wrong.
That’s fine.
Spend your money how you want.
I will continue to spend my money irresponsibly.
You’re not alone.
In my experience, you’re right.
I wonder if the MFs who complain about Chinese stuff really thought their phone is made in Finland… LMAO…
Another day, another CCP shill post. Tomorrow you’ll tell us about their beautiful human rights handling I hope.
It’s frankly bordering on racism that any amount of positive words for Chinese people or their accomplishments gets you labeled a “CCP shill”. Is every Chinese friend I made in uni a shill for having nice thoughts about their previous school and hometown?
Stop talking to strawmen plz
What part is the strawman? The Atlantic is an American magazine. Its an opinion piece by a guy who runs another car review and discussion website that is full of articles about non-Chinese cars. The person who posted it has posted a variety of articles about tech from all over the world, including Tesla. Where is the shill?
He doesn’t understand the words he’s using or other people’s arguments.
Apparently he’s French and didn’t pay attention in English class.
At least he isn’t as arrogant as you are
This just isn’t a CCP shill post. Western and Korean companies simply refuse to sell an EV that isn’t a luxury car, and Japanese companies seem to be trying to get out of making EVs period. The only one I could name, Chevy Bolt, got the axe last year.
Like, I look like an American Nationalist next to most Lemmy users (you could say I am in a way, but not in the conventional right-wing flag waver way.) But BYD coming to America would fill a need, even if the cars actually suck. Teslas suck, but they still sell, and there are alternatives to Tesla.
Or maybe the West is just not the be all end all in all aspects of society?
Eh, it’s more the dumbing-down of America starting to take effect.
It’s always funny seeing you people comment almost instinctively on anything that’s positive about china.
I’m French, try again
Umm… your nationality has nothing to do with it.
You should pay more attention in English class.
wow, you sure are a nice Person.
- yes it does. The Dumbing-Down of America has no Effect on a Frenchie.
- I wanna know how many Languages you speak, because it’s very well possible he speaks 3 completely different Languages (French, German, English). So how about you get your Attitude checked and stop being an Arrogant A**hat
Everything fine at home? Do you really believe the west it’s far better at human rights? Really?
Yes. Say something that Xi doesnt like ? Staright to jail/brainwash camp. Say something about Biden being senile ? Laughs on Twitter. Tell me which is worse.
The amount of Chinese propaganda around EVs is astounding
The Atlantic is an American magazine. Its an opinion piece by a guy who runs another car review and discussion website that is full of articles about non-Chinese cars. The person who posted it has posted a variety of articles about tech from all over the world, including Tesla. Like I asked another user, what part is propaganda? Are Chinese people just never allowed to speak positively about anything they do? Because that’s the implication of these off-topic posts.
I want a car without spyware.
Even American cars have spyware. Not sure what your choice is there. At this point, I’ll settle for cars with physical buttons for climate and other commonly used controls.
Even American cats have spyware.
And they have since the 1960’s: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_Kitty
That typo was totally worth learning about this
I want a small, fun roadster. Or a hot hatch. Or a sport wagon. And I didn’t see one listed.
An e-civic would be phenomenal…
Tweak the motors to simulate vtech!
Toyota had a concept EV that simulates a manual transmission (including “stalling,” coasting, and “engine braking”), that it showed off last year to some journalists. People who drove it say it’s a ton of fun.
If someone makes an electric equivalent to the Pontiac Fiero I’m getting a drivers license. Small, cheap, fun.
Hell yeah. Or an MR2. Or an S2000.
Carice? Harks back to the small British sports car.
Man, if some Chinese company rebooted MG I’d be so happy
yeah! Just look at that…beauty…
Kinda looks like a Volvo XC60…
A Mitsubishi Legnum Electric would be an instant buy for me.
“Whatever kind of EV you might want, chances are China has it.”
proceeds to describe a car that’s slower and has less range than my e-bike
Kinda curious what the other options are, I got hit with a paywall.
I want an Aptera. Any solar cars available in China? A Telo would be sweet but they’re super early on.
I‘m just waiting on the release of the german X-Bus. A modular 600kg vehicle that counts as a quad and can be used as a bus/transporter/pickup/camper and recharges 30-50km of range a day through solar energy on the roof for under 20k€ is exactly what I want from an EV. I don’t need a 50k price tag with shiny smart features.
I’ve just been looking at those. I can’t help but think of the old adage, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is
it basically falls under the vehicle classification of tricycles and golf carts, so the safety standards are, shall we say, more lenient
I would prefer better crashworthiness though
I hope they do better than expected, sadly the lower standards also the downside of their classification. But I think they commited to doing crash tests and also build in ESP by defaultc so at least the basics will be there.
I’ve recently driven a brand new 2023/2024 Maxus T90EV. It had 15 miles on the clock when I drove it. These are the problems I experienced with it and these aren’t even touching on my preferences like I thought the seats were uncomfortable, or that regenerative braking is quite aggressive and can’t be changed. So I doubt China EVs are going to take over, not in 2024 at least.
- Auto lights didn’t work
- Auto wipers didn’t work
- Intermittent wipers didn’t work
- Rear view camera was really poor quality
- Infotainment system crashed, where I had to walk away from the vehicle with it still in its crashed state. At some point it finally turned off and worked again on the next drive
- Bluetooth audio kept crashing
- Infotainment system is really basic
- Shudders when driving on the factory set speed limiter
- No driving aids like cruise control or driver defined speed limiter
I feel bad for everyone who takes your word at face value.
Anyone can type anything on the internet. Just keep that in mind, folks.
It’s my honest experience. Why do you speak negatively towards me?
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Kind of a dumbass comment there my guy
Lol, found the guy who believes everything he reads on the internet.
You’re clearly being a troll.
Uhh, no.
Yikes
“Best”?
[X] Doubt
Do they have an electric truck that isn’t the size of a small house?
Straight up if I could get an electric Kei truck I’d be over the moon
I want a nice cheap basic car without all the nonsense, and 250 miles of range plus battery swap. Neta V fits the bill
It’s the result of massive subsidies. When they stop, this market will crash like a house of cards.
Those bastards, subsidizing emissions reducing technologies.
Not really. It’s mainly about gaining market dominance on a technology they think is the future. They’ll build them right next to the massive coal plant alongside a million other things they’re subsidizing.
Even if its not some altruistic reasons, they still are literally subsidizing this emissions reducing technology.
Tho they are also going pretty ham on subsidizing renewable energy too.
You won’t be saying that once the market crashes. You’ll realize that there are much better ways of spending that money. Like far more practical emissions reducing solutions.
How do subsidies=crash, and what are more effective emissions reductions solutions than renewable energy and electrifying transit?
You’re better off spending it on stuff like mass transit and the like. It won’t just all disappear at some point in the future.
And we could be doing the same if we ditch big oil subsidies.
You could say the same thing about fossil fuels in the USA…
Or all of the food in the USA. Imagine all agra subsidies stopped. Probably a bigger deal than a EV market disruption.
Well honestly we need to stop with corn subsidies. It is used far too much in our food system. Corn sugar just needs to stop.
Like their housing market right now.
I would like an electric 2004 Dodge Neon…
Does China have that? Not like in build quality, I know they’re trash, just that exact car.
Though not Chinese, there are companies nowadays offering conversion kits for older, ICE cars. Electric Twingo, here I come!
That’s already coming down the Pike
Considering how much respect China has for western intellectual property… probably. Somewhere.
I went to one of the links and some of their cars had a 404 error, so I’m guessing that’s what their repairability and warranty would be like in the states.
