It’s been said before: Google does not find you the best result for your query. Google finds you the result that makes them the most money from AdSense and has words from your query.
If Mozilla wasn’t funded by Google, the best thing they could do is include a helpful/unhelpful ranking for websites, then filter Google results by that. Search should be social, not commercial.
Google’s method of ranking results has clearly had a detrimental effect on website content and structure as well. I can’t believe how much nonsense junk padding there is on all the top results. You can understand why people are happy to have an LLM sift through the junk and make up an answer, even if it’s wrong half the time.
Even a junk made-up answer would be an improvement over the results I recently got after trying both Google and DDG to search up a random question that came to me. I wanted to find a list of animals with vertical pupils, and all I got were pages with headlines like “Why do some animals have vertical pupils?” that didn’t answer my question or even the question in the headline!
Search should be social, not commercial.
this would be gamed by companies in the same way social media is used to advertise businesses.
Potentially, but there is a reason adding “Reddit” to the end of a search is so common. It’s basically up-voted search results.
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Too bad the Mozilla foundation didn’t pivot to that instead of whatever the hell they’re doing with AI
They can’t. Google is their main source of income.
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The answer to your question is no, federation is not an appropriate model for internet scale search.
Yeah I think you need a centralized system with decentralized ownership, so that no single party can fuck it up by themselves
so a Search DAO? :)
I mean yeah exactly
the biggest question would be how to defend it from spammers and corporations with potentially much more money.
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well reddit did that and was full of shills and bots, vote manipulation, and more, this approach completely failed for them.
and they do put a lot of money into it.
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Serious eats 😢 RIP
What happened to serious eats?
Was bought out by dotdash a few years ago. Been on a steady decline ever since. The old content is still there, so it still works as a reference, but the new stuff is not of the same quality
It doesn’t seem like anything happened with them, they’re just published by a company that also spams seemingly hollow search results for reviews. Reviews it seems like they may not have meaningfully conducted. But serious eats isn’t actually implicated in anything other than being published by them as best I can tell. Dotdash Meredith also seems to publish a bunch of other food/recipe sites too.
Thanks!
Be cool if we had a browser extension that automatically told Google to filter out results from these sites specifically
ublacklist is a must-have extension for blocking whole lists of sites from search results.
Aw maannnn not the spruce…
I have no idea about air purifiers, but Meredith (and better homes and gardens DO have a test kitchen in Des Moines and I wouldn’t be surprised if they test other stuff there. My dad worked there and as a kid we got to come through a and try out recipes they were thinking of publishing sometimes.
But ANY site running these review articles at this point, be it for hotels or air purifiers or food kr *30 under 30" lists, are all just paid shills. I don’t really have any reason to think “housefresh” is any different either. I don’t even really trust consumer reports at this point after seeing them shill really shitty products a few times. Maybe ifixit is ok?
Go to Amazon and filter by one star, then try to ignore the crazys.
Go to Amazon and filter by one star, then try to ignore the crazys.
This is underrated. This is where you find out management switched over and changed policies, that quality is great but they have trouble delivering, or their returns require arcane rituals on the third blood moon.
There is a dodgy car rental brand in australia, nz, usa and canada that i had used, and exclusively markets to overseas tourists, but not locals - presumably because locals would know that they should not rent a car that failed the technical inspection and is illegal to drive, which to the surprise of nobody happens a lot with cheap, 20 year old rental cars. It’s very hard to find organic customer reviews of the company, because their own SEO drowns out any authentic customer voices:
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Their links come from “paid blog posts” (they pay the blogger to write some fluff piece) in private travel blogs, advertising banners, forum posts and articles on big travel sites like trip advisor
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Their own “travel tips for #country#” websites which offers the same info as other tourist sites, but where they exclusively mention their own business. They have a whole network of their own sites, each for a different country they opperate in, a different language for the customer nationality they are targeting and the age group/price level they want to serve
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social media channels of course
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In forum posts where the company is mentioned in a bad way, some new account pops up defending the company, or the thread is deleted soon afterwards.
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Same with online reviews on google maps, where the company sits at a 4.5 score, but some bad reviews about deposits not being paid out after the car was returned have magically disappeared.
tl;dr: the internet is all ads!
Don’t suppose we could get you to name the company?
I dont want to mention a name here, but it’s the brand that has an office here …
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I can’t believe I ever trusted consumer reports after I read up on how they purposely distorted their Suzuki samurai testing. The CR own record video shows they were determined to roll it.
How can I find more of these kind of sites?
Wirecutter used to be good, but they’ve pretty much entirely sold out to whoever pays them I think. The Spruce Eats seems maybe slightly better than them these days for that sorta household stuff?
TechGearLab and OutdoorGearLab are still good.
Project Farm on YouTube is top tier testing for tools and whatever else catches his eye, though I wish it was a little easier to see the results in a spreadsheet instead of having to screenshot the video.
I still think Wirecutter is testing and better than the fake review sites but yeah I’d agree that I think they tip the scales from time to time.
One example, Fitbit has been their fitness watch recommendation forever and their charge watches have been ewaste garbage for years.
Honestly, right here, that’s the beauty upside of the fediverse, we are slightly bigger than the general internet bubble and that’s enough to watch content not bound by it, Iyk what I mean.
Google it. scnr
If it’s any consolation, I haven’t used Google in years and I still haven’t heard of this site.
Found the Bing user
Quacks in Duck Duck Go. 🦆
Duck Duck Go is repackaged Bing and Yahoo for the most part. - Said as a duck duck go user
At some point I should really try out one of the paid search options…
I was skeptical at first, wondering why the hell I’d pay for search. I set up the trial of Kagi, and it’s fast like the pages load instantly, the result knockouts are almost always useful and the standard results are usually highly relevant and useful.
- Ban commercial Ads from the web.
- Illegalize selling of user data without consent, at minimum.
The majority of online enshittification stems from profit motivation. Removing the incentive will fundamentally change how the internet is used and will likely change it for the better.
Nothing in that article is a surprise, its almost as bad just looking up general info lately. I have been doing some searching in both google and yandex and often get better results in yandex.
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That’s irrelevant here because what they’re describing is happening in every market, not just their niche.
Nice article, cool company
I was looking forward to seeing more reviews from the company, then saw they only have reviews of air purifiers, humidifiers or dehumidifiers, and a few sensors. That’s pretty niche, and even if they maybe should be used more they probably need to branch out into more categories to get more attention. But it looks very thorough and useful if you need those items.
I definitely went down the rabbit hole after reading the article posted, which was very well compiled. Their testing and reviews are very high quality and it looks like they can apply their test results to multiple curated use cases. Their tests also seem repeatable, which is important for this niche. To branch out, they would have to build out very specific testing environments, which is not a small investment, depending on what they are testing. If I ever need an air purifier, I know where to look now I guess. Like some say, if your going to do something, focus on doing one thing and do it well.
