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The Illinois State Supreme Court found a strict assault weapons ban passed after the Highland Park shooting to be constitutional in a ruling issued Friday.
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Finally, some good fucking news.
In the ruling, which was 4-3, Justice Elizabeth Rochford wrote, “First, we hold that the exemptions neither deny equal protection nor constitute special legislation because plaintiffs have not sufficiently alleged that they are similarly situated to and treated differently from the exempt classes. Second, plaintiffs expressly waived in the circuit court any independent claim that the restrictions impermissibly infringe the second amendment. Third, plaintiffs’ failure to cross-appeal is a jurisdictional bar to renewing their three-readings claim.”
What do you guys think of an “USA-News” sub?
Always those “US court decides X over weird US law, Court 2 decides Y, Court 3 decides both are idiots” littering the news.
Either way, us news is still going to be posted to news because it is news. It makes no specification on location and there seems to be far more US users than anywhere else. If you want to see other news, post it.
It’s probably be a better option to make a “non-us news” community.
Agreed. There’s already a thriving non-US news community at lemmy.world/c/world
I’m pretty sure all of the people you don’t want having assault weapons in states like Illinois already have them.
I’m not so sure the ones those people dream of targeting have yet acquired reciprocal defenses.
Happy to see less guns around, but I do worry about the pre-existing distribution of them.
yes but everyone who wanted to smoke in the 80s and everyone who wants to smoke today does- but there are only less smokers and less smoke inside nowadays because it was legislated.
change can only come through attempting change
Horrible comparison tbh.
It actually is a pretty fair comparison.
I guess I should have explained my opinion. Fair enough.
Cigarettes are not reusable, are not continuously functional for a hundred years or more, and cannot end a life in a single muscle movement. This severely restricts situations in which they could potentially act analogously - they are too fundamentally different.
What makes it a good comparison in your view?
Just the analogy that you can setup laws to change the user behavior.
Just to reiterate this, there is a difference between smoking the last cigarette you could legally purchase, and the last gun you could legally purchase: The gun sticks around afterward.
I agree to the change in behavior that it will lead to a decrease in sales on legal markets, which was the basis of my comment. Now, what change in user behavior - if any - do these laws cause that would result in the non-possession of currently possessed firearm? That’s the only way the bans would be comparable.
First, you have to start somewhere. If one person legally purchased a nuclear bomb, I don’t think they shouldn’t pass a law preventing anyone else from purchasing a nuclear bomb.
Second, you’re not going to be carrying around any long gun. Those will be for home defence at most, likely just a range toy (and also to be shown during a protest to make sure other people know your people are armed). Maybe it’ll be useful if we end up in a civil war or something, idk. A handgun is nearly as good at killing people and can be carried around easily. If you want protection from these people then you want a handgun.
…I’m too informed to believe that a hand gun would be useful against these assault weapons, sorry.
I grew up around these things, you see - and hated them for years. Then at one point I realized I was just about the only leftist around, and just about the only person without a gun around, and the math clicked for me: It’s a much stickier situation than anyone really wants to acknowledge.
I’ve seen them carried around frequently while in the US - people carry them openly displayed on the back of their trucks. Who’s to guess how many have guns in their cabins and trunks? I’ve also followed the US’ wars closely enough to know that modern warfare looks like a bunch of armed citizens in a hilux, and that a state border won’t be saving any leftists stuck in southern Illinois when the RWDSs return.
Edit: I’m standing by this one. Disagree as you will.
A rifle won’t protect those people either.
A handgun has almost as much killing power as a rifle. Most rifles people have are fire 5.56x45mm rounds. The penetrative power of those are reasonably low. Now, 7.62 will probably punch through any body armor they’re wearing, but that’s fairly uncommon I’m the US. With the NGSW we’ll see more larger rounds, but until then your handgun will kill about as well as their rifle, assuming your close enough which a self defence situation would imply.
A longer gun is better for longer ranges. If you’re at longer range, probably just get out of the way instead of thinking you’ll fight back. Most likely you’ll just make the situation more confusing and no one will be able to identify the “good guy with a gun” and you’ll get shot, by police or otherwise.
That’s the big problem. There are a bunch of gun stores in East Chicago, because it’s in Indiana. People just cross over state lines, buy guns, and go back to Chicago proper.
Not legally, and not through any licensed dealer. So if you know of anyone doing that, feel free to report their crimes to the police so you can do your part to reduce gun crimes.
Well if you’re a resident of Illinois you can’t go to another state and buy a gun from a licensed dealer. You’d have to have it shipped to an FFL in your state. Since this rule is in effect then the FFL in Illinois wouldn’t sell it to you.
The only way you can go to another state and get a gun is if it’s a private sale.
The obsession of guns in the USA is insane.
- Sandy Hook massacre of 2011 did not change anything.
- Las Vegas massacre of 2017 did not change anything.
- High school massacre of 2018 in Santa Fe, TX did not change anything
- Grocery store massacre of 2019 in El Paso did not change anything
- Robb Elementary massacre of 2022 in Uvalde did not change anything.
- Outlet mall massacre of 2023 in Allen, TX did not change anything
(yes there are many more mass shooting prior to 2011 and in between. These are just the ones I can recall as of writing this post)
American Exceptionalism at its best
Every year, there are about two million defensive uses of guns. This obsession saves those people.
What are those two million people defending themselves from, I wonder?
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Themselves mostly.
Two-thirds of gun-related deaths are suicides. This obsession enables people who are hurting and struggling to end their lives, and in some cases, the lives of many people around them first.
Sure…
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There’s way more firearm accidents and suicides than incidents where guns actually helped. They make everyone, especially gun owners, less safe. If safety is the primary concern, the less guns the better.
Defensive use of guns, like defending yourself from a kid you decided to pull over because he had skittles!
Do states have “Supreme Courts” in the US? What an odd naming scheme.
Yes. Each state has a Supreme Court of the state, and then there the Supreme Court of the United States for matters that regard the federation of the states. If it’s only a state matter, it won’t go to the SCotUS. The SC of the state is the highest court where the state law is applicable.
Except for NY
Ah no my point was just about the name given to it, where I’m from (India) we have a similar system just that the highest state level court is called “High Court” and not State Supreme Court. There’s only one Supreme Court and that does the federal level stuff. Wouldn’t seem very supreme if every state had one did it :P
The intention is that each state has full self-determination as long as it doesn’t run counter to federal law. Each state has its own legislature, executive, and judiciary.
Yes, all of them do as far as I know.
But but, if I go to dairy queen, who will protect me from Margaret and her damn screaming kids
This is a bad news
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I believe in no restrictions. If I want to own a nuclear missile, so be it.
So you’d be okay if some crazy killed you and everyone around you because they had their own personal nuclear weapon to do it with? Really?
what you don’t like freedom, commie?
At least I died free
—an awful lot of 6 year olds
And you are the reason these restrictions exist. 2nd Am. is a very important right and the real reason the fight against it is so successful is because of immaturity from the gun rights supporters.
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