Michael

Most Democrats don’t realize that capitalism relies on actual slavery… presently. They don’t know that the products they consume revolve around supply chains that even include child slavery. They don’t know the actual effects of US imperialism, regime change, and third-world exploitation. They don’t know that an estimated 40% of US agricultural workers are undocumented immigrants — modern slaves, with no human rights. I’m not being hyperbolic at all, but I suggest everybody do their own research.

Democrats are propagandized to not want to come to terms with the fact that even first-world workers are slaves. They may not be “owned”, but damn near — everybody is getting a raw deal under capitalism besides those that extract the vast majority of value, wealth, power, influence, and control.

Democrats are subjected to intense campaigns that include gaslighting, propaganda, and coercion, while critical facts and the actual reality is veiled to them.

Our produce and ingredients suck here in the US. It’s devoid of nutrition and it’s usually gamed to look better than it actually is. Lots of things taste funny to me, and if it’s not flavorless, it tastes like chemicals or metal. There’s simply no regulation or oversight. Our soil practices also are only viable for approximately 60 more harvests.

When I have food that is grown or produced locally (and ethically) or food that is imported from Europe or even Canada, the difference is stark — I feel like I can actually digest and the flavor is night and day.

Nice, that’s big. Thanks for the link.

We just need an entirely new system.

The Democrats will never be truly progressive and they will always tease at being socialist. They don’t even address major crises, like the housing crisis, the health care crisis, or the economy — they sit there and gaslight us while playing the blame game to excuse their inaction.

We need progress towards solutions, and they can’t even address the issues. How can they work towards solutions if they can’t come up with any?

Well clearly we are already almost at a breaking point just 112 days after the start of Trump’s presidency. He is ignoring due process and established rights, he is foregoing his oath to uphold the constitution, and everybody in the administration is openly breaking laws left and right. The administration is also arguably in criminal contempt of court.

Personally, I don’t think we’ll even make it 2 years into the presidency before protests of a massive scale or a collapse.

1/3 of the country doesn’t vote in the presidential election, 2/3 are propagandized or coerced into voting for the duopoly. There are many, many people who voted for Trump that likely don’t approve of him now. There are many, many people who voted for Kamala who likely didn’t actually endorse her, they just didn’t want Trump.

If a revolution or similar event is going to happen, it’s during this presidency. Otherwise there will be no facade of democracy left to participate in when the next election is supposed to come around. The Democrats aren’t going to save us, the answer isn’t to sit back — the answer is to create a new system.

No, you’re perfectly fine, even if it were targeted at me I wouldn’t take it personally. I’m attempting to respond to you and also represent my own viewpoints for the thread — and I’m sorry for the misunderstanding.

I just think that without non-polarizing idealism and unity, the alternative is modern horror, a revival of barbarism, and destruction on a scale that the world has never seen before.

I don’t want to believe that will be the outcome, though. But it still won’t stop me from doing everything in my power to open and soften hearts so such a reality never comes to pass. I don’t think anybody really wants a world of renewed violence and suffering, when there already is so much suffering and violence.

I’m well aware of the realities of this world. Too aware, I’d say. Most people escape and distract themselves — or they are simply uninformed. I’d rather be the person who knows and still chooses to be perceivably naive, seeing the best in others — even if it’s not obvious or readily apparent on the surface.

Most people aren’t even aware. I’ll keep pushing that fact even if it angers people.

We all loosely share responsibility for Trump rising to power and maintaining said power, and the best way to remove his power is to pull the wool away from everybody’s eyes.

The Democrats do not represent the people or workers and they will not fight for anybody or anything besides capital. No matter how progressive they brand themselves in the future or how much they claim to want to fight oligarchy.

They have zero plan or power — they are not serious actors and my assessment of them has nothing to do with purity testing. You are either focused or solutions or you are not. We need solutions imminently — we need a new system.

We can co-create a new system as this one falls apart.

I am focused on solutions, not ideology. I do my best to not flaunt the label that most accurately aligns with my ideals (unless relevant) and my ideas generally resonate with Democrats and even some Republicans. People want change and people want progress, no matter where you fall on the political spectrum.

Everybody, regardless of ideology, should be able to focus on solutions and the change we’d like to see — on what kind of world we want to live in. I want to live in a free and kind world, preferably without slavery. The vast majority of people likely feel similarly.

Even authoritarian socialists tend to resonate with that. They want to forcefully centralize power, resources, and control so eventually a more gentle world is born and the state is shed. They think force is necessary, I’m confident we can convince them otherwise.

Maybe it’s naive, but I can see a world that unifies under the banner of change and common sense solutions — a world that is able to cut past the propaganda and polarization and moves forward.

The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.” Clinton’s camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be “elevated” to “leaders of the pack” and media outlets should be told to “take them seriously.”

Hillary Clinton, the DNC, and mainstream media also played a pretty big role in Trump’s rise to power back in 2016.

Neither capitalist party is preferable and capitalism is destroying the planet.

Democrats are not able to fight extreme authoritarianism, fascism, and oligarchy. They have no power or political gravitas. They can’t even take a stand for universal health care…

Value judgements of which side is better are irrelevant: the capitalist US economy relies on various forms of slavery (even child slavery) and third-world exploitation. An estimated 40% of US agricultural workers are undocumented immigrants.

Modern slavery must be abolished. Neither party is calling for the end of slavery, let alone addressing it — it’s a carefully veiled reality.

The Progressives and Democratic Socialists who once voted Democrat (or who voted Democrat anyway) probably care a lot that they are disenfranchised by Democrats.

Both political parties in America represent capital instead of people.

I align with Libertarian Socialism, a left ideology. This is also a leftist/anarchist instance and community. We aren’t Republicans in disguise.

One would have to have some serious bad faith or cognitive dissonance to be able to argue that both sides are the same as a person who firmly aligns with right-wing, capitalist ideology. Republicans thrive on promoting their differences in contrast to Democrats.

Left = Socialism, Right = Capitalism.

If you look at the Political Compass you will see that there are also authoritarians and libertarians (not the right-wing, capitalist ideology) on the Y axis.

Left authoritarians or left libertarians both are well educated on what the left represents. They are able to see the stark contrast between capitalistic parties and socialism.

Democrats are not left-wing or leftist — they most certainly aren’t socialist. They only tease at being socialist.

Trump is a far-right fascist authoritarian, not the typical Republican we are used to.

They are pointing out validly that the Democratic party moved to the right to where centrists and old-school conservatives once sat.

And you’re allowed to disagree or see things differently.

We do need to have more self-sufficient societal development. Shipping critical materials (raw or otherwise) and critical goods across the world doesn’t make a whole lot of sense unless something is unique or a very rare resource.

We don’t need to put our eggs all in one basket — global supply lines e.g. should be for specialties and artisan goods, to ship excesses in production, or be used for aid.

The current global trade system relies on exploitation and slavery (even child slavery e.g. with cocoa).

We suck third-world countries of everything they have; their land, their labor, their resources, and their goods — and all the wealth concentrates into the hands of the very few in first-world countries. The result is the stagnation of the exploited region’s development — we trap them into these conditions of servitude.

I didn’t mean provide consent or bow down — most certainly not. I just meant mentally coming to terms with reality and accepting what needs to be changed.

If I was there, if I was involved in law enforcement, if I had access to the crime scene and raw footage and evidence, I might be able to speculate. Armchair speculation is insufficient for me.

There are plenty of events that raise legitimate questions and concerns - like suspicious, high profile deaths that are immediately ruled as suicide. Everybody is free to hold their own positions and perspectives as far as I am concerned. Question on, sate your concern and curiosity, you’ll get no arguments against that from me.

Scarcity is artificial with our level of technology and our ingenuity.

It’s a myth, we are able to produce more than enough even with many countless individuals in dire straits maintaining the world’s economy/production. We produce so much that we can afford to waste incredible amounts of food and other goods without batting an eye.

What if the individuals slaving were given the ingredients to be happy and healthy, with their human rights and needs respected?

Personally, I believe the world would get even more productive, things would start making sense, people wouldn’t have to work so hard, we’d see forward movement in our societies, and without a doubt we’d see incredible advancements.

I refuse to believe that everybody would laze about, leave the “hard” jobs unattended, and let the world rot.

If we can work this hard while we are forced to survive, forced to live in lack while the landfills pile up to the sky — there’s no way we wouldn’t be incredibly more efficient if people could take a second to breathe and fill their cup. If everybody could take a second and look around and see where things could be even better, where they can make a difference, everything would surely very quickly improve.

There’s no way to convince me that “peak productivity” is everybody emptying their cup and breaking the glass to pay debts and to afford necessities.

You do realize that most people don’t know the truth, right? That the world doesn’t need to be the way it currently is? That we have the empathy, technology, and ingenuity to solve these issues with awareness and action?

I think we have to start respecting ourselves, respecting others, and teaching those concepts to people who are receptive. To me, it seems like the only way to break the cycle called slavery.

They can dress slavery up with benefits all they want, but they don’t even care to anymore. Everybody knows it’s a raw deal and they are trying to scare us into thinking we have no power.

Let’s not be stuck in fear and hate, in subservience and denigration, and be sovereign and resolute in the change we want to see in the world.

I don’t need an external authority to tell me what I should believe and hope for. I don’t need somebody to curb my expectations and tell me change is impossible, that we actually need to compromise for no real reason, that it is too “costly”, or that it will take an extremely long time. I don’t want to be told ANY of that when change is possible — these people simply gave up before they even started. No more am I going to be gaslit, and I hope others feel similarly.

If you can’t imagine a world where comprehensive solutions manifest imminently to ease suffering, you probably aren’t fit for leadership. We need change now, this is absolute insanity. FUCK the perceived costs — it’s infinitely more costly to continue the current state of affairs while many, many countless individuals suffer and our precious and irreplaceable planet goes up in flames.