Anark Karabey

@ShadowRebel

>Mostly due to Monero people being so insane angry about the Bitcoin Maxis that are on Nostr

>Mostly due to Bitcoin maxis being so insane

Here. Fixed it for you.

@mister_monster @Saki

>Use things incapable of complying with anything in the first place.

This is it.

@mister_monster @4rkal Agreed. Surprising for me, as well. I suppose for the git-stuff, the community is complacent with the fact that github still hasn’t tried any shenanigans. Most of the issue tickets are opened there, and most of the code and protocol related discussions use github’s infra. There is too much inertia to overcome to make the change from github to a git[dot]getmonero.org, for instance.

Regarding the forum: agreed. However, we still have monero.town that is positioned to become the forum-like discussion medium, which is independent of the reddit.

@HardenedSteel yeah… basically proton is a honeypot:

>cannot use their tor hidden service for anonymous account creation

>cannot use the btc payment option during anonymous account creation

>no XMR payment option at all

I think Monero community can do better. Just create a version of cockli service that forces people to pay a buck a month in XMR. Promise to keep their emails encrypted in the server SSDs, or allow them to use POP to pull their emails to their local devices. etc. etc.

Someone can be the new lavabit…

@HardenedSteel this is a niche still awaiting for its entrepreneur.

Proton accepts btc (sigh (put +1 to the column that argues for them being a honeypot)). You might use trocador to exchange from btc to xmr and make your payment.

But, again, some sort of email service that takes XMR in exchange of service would be good. The operators of the email service can even use the XMR payment as a sort of counter-spam measure against bot accounts, and spam senders. The service can also use “Mullvad-style” random digits per the customer in order to track their XMR payments for the service, and demand no personally identifiable information, at all.

@ShadowRebel

>would force us to abandon IP address and DNS based systems such as federated ones.

Hey I hate the DNS like the next hacker. I think we can migrate to Tor HiddenServices and use Onion URLs for our mitra instances—if the need be. Afaik, mitra allows tor-only instances (they can federate to other onion instances, and/or to the clearnet ones over the tor exit nodes).

Definitely checkout mitra.social.

cc: @silverpill

@ShadowRebel in fact, I am posting these comments from my own mitra instance. It can play-nice with the lemmy instance of monero.town, since they all share the same ActivityPub protocol underneath.

No need for a newfangled protocol that tries to re-invent the wheel.

@ShadowRebel nostr might be cool and I do wish it would have more Monero people in there; but, mitra.social is already doing good things. It is ActivityPub compatible (thus federateable), it has baked-in Monero tips and subscriptions support, and it can work over tor + clearnet. Quite good for Monero people to be in.