My biggest concern coming from this is that the admins over there seem really, really out of their depth.

Again, they can and will do whatever they want to do, but in my personal opinion a large general NSFW instance needs to have people who know what they are doing at the helm or its going to be a disaster. I just hope no regular user gets caught up if/when shit hits the fan

Not sure why you would think this place is out of reach of DMCA.

As for what you can post, check the rules

Rule 3:

Don’t request or link to specific pirated titles

I don’t know how people can be arguing against a post that is literally titled

We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content

The heading of the post is, and I quote

We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content

Maybe they minced words being non English as their first language.
I understand that, languages are tough.
That said, the fact that it isn’t a hard line on that shit is enough for the majority of people to want another instance.

I’m not trying to have them closed. I’m not fronting a resistance to have people not go there. As far as I’m concerned its “legal” and whatever, but at the end of the day the majority of people are not only not interested, but disgusted by that.

Being real here, if I’m looking at nude content, as lots of us do, there is some stuff I don’t want to see. Underaged content is on that list. I would safely assume that is on the list for many people.

The point of this thread is to warn other “normies” that the people running that instance are cool with this sort of thing, and ask if there is an alternative yet. lemmynsfw can and will do whatever they want. I’m fine with that, its not the point here. The point is warning others and asking for an alternative.

Create a level ground then. Beehaw never said they are a level ground, they are an instance that doesnt want rightoids arguing in bad faith, the same way exploding heads wouldnt want an army of lefties coming in and injecting themselves into every thread.

A level ground where people of whatever affiliation can converse is a great idea. Beehaw doesnt have to be that place

Your “right” to expression doesnt extend to forcing other people to listen to you.
I dont know why that seems to be such a common thought.

You have a “want” - in that you want to be able to say whatever you want to whoever you want.
Other people also have a “want” - to not have to see that shit when they are just chilling on the internet.

We find ourselves at a point where we are on a platform that allows problematic places to be excluded. People there can still say and do what they want, the majority just doesnt have to see or deal with it anymore.

No one is dictating what you can and cant do or say, you are free to do that.

What defederation does is create a place for people who dont care about that shit to exist without having to see it. By defederating at an instance level, it takes that burden away from the individual user and creates a place that they want to be at. If you dont want to be there thats fine.

Its only a problem with people who think like yourself because you want to push your views onto people who arent interested. You want your views to dictate how another community behaves. You dont get to dictate that though. You’re welcome to join if you want to follow their rules, if not find somewhere with rules that you agree with.

As for myself agreeing with beehaw, I interact with that instance regularly. I dont need an account there because I have accounts elsewhere that are federated with them. If those other accounts became defederated, id weigh up the pros and cons and create a local account if I wanted to continue the interaction.

This is a fundamental, core aspect of the fediverse. If being restricted from places that you arent welcome at is something you dont like, I sincerely think the fediverse is not for you. That said, I cant think of many places that are for people who want to push their views onto unwilling others, because the places that spruik that arent attractive to the people who are sick of that shit.

There are places for the type of content you want to engage with. There are even places that are halfway, where people from both sides of this divide meet and converse. The problem only exists when you want to bring that shit into places where it isnt welcome, and the fediverse has been designed from the ground up to alleviate that problem for the majority of people who arent interested.

It was always there. Back in the day if you gave someone gold for a comment, you were giving them one month of premium.

I would have gladly paid for a premium reddit experience, had it provided useful features. 3rd party app access is something I would have totally understood and paid for. RES features integrated, various styles such as old.reddit enshrined and protected, the option to opt in/out of various features, premium access to mod/admin subs that actually get a response, etc.

Instead they offered awards to give out. No value, no purchase.

I think people would be surprised at the amount of instances that have already been broadly defederated.

Its just that the beehaw defederation is the first “big” incident since broader adoption, and thats for very understandable reasons with a roadmap to refederation already in place.

The only people who get angry about an instance being defederated are the types who want to act in bad faith. They know if they join the instance they got defederated from they will be banned if they spruik the shit that got the instance defederated in the first place, so they are angry that no one wants to listen to their shit.

It sucks for legitimate users that get caught up, but if youre a good user willing to participate in good faith, just join another instance and carry on.

I dont see why defederation is seen as a sensitive topic.

Its a great feature, designed for specifically this purpose.

Over time people will migrate between instances and land where they fit. Some people want to be abrasive cunts, and they will land with the other abrasive cunts. Thats great, they have an instance they can do what they want on.

For the rest of us though, we dont want to see their bad faith articles and abrasiveness on our feeds. No one is being limited in their speech, but they might be limited in their reach. If they want to expand their reach, they can join a more broadly federated instance and ditch the bad faith arguments and abrasiveness.

Its the kids table at the dinner party. You can join the adults table if you behave in a way that is suitable for the adults, if not go back and play with the kids and everyone is happy.

Running a public instance is 100%, definitely not suitable for someone without experience or at the very least a solid background and a sincere willingness to learn and spend time maintaining it.

A private server for yourself and a group of buds?
There isnt really a reason not to give it a go if youre interested.

This is what im going to do when I get a spare few hours to set it up.

Im looking at it in the same way as my searx instance. Just a private portal that will have as much uptime as I can maintain, federated with who I want and no one I dont.

“Official” is such a strange term and im truly looking forward to the end of the “migration” period.

I get that people want a similar experience to their reddit feed, but I dont understand why people see reddit affiliated communities as the best options.

At some point its better to just tear the bandaid off.

Posts do get pushed through, its just been a period of heavily increased traffic the last week or so, and many instances have had to tame measures to stay online at all, which in many cases has broken or slowed down the propagation.

These are issues that will be resolved in time

They were struggling with moderation, and a disproportionate number of people they were addressing were coming from those two instances, which happen to have open registration.

Not sure I agree or not, but thats what they said

Is it our property though?

Intellectually speaking yes, but legally speaking? Probably not. Chances are if its stored on their servers, it belongs to them.