UK Labour are too Tory for me.
I’ve threatened that they’ve lost my vote. (edit)
On LGBTQIA, specifically trans rights.
On their plans for the NHS.
On their plans for health and wealth inequalities in the UK.
On their plans for the relationship the UK has with Europe.
They have to be less Tory to get my vote back.
It’s not acceptable that to not vote Tory, we have to settle for what they offer. They assume their position is acceptable.
If they correct their position, I’ll reconsider
@uk_politics
The famous Labour double bind:
If a left leaning Labour lose the election, it’s because they don’t appeal to voters. If a right leaning Labour lose the election, it’s because the left didn’t vote for them.
@Fedegenerate I didn’t say I won’t vote for them, I just told them they had lost my vote.
Staying silent and voting for a not good enough Labour let’s them think they are. Telling them I won’t even though I might vote for them, and describing why, gives them an opportunity to evaluate.
If they’re not good enough for you and yours what are you doing to change that? My strategy is one way. There are others.
don’t think I’m describing what you think I’m describing.
I’m describing the no win situation right leaning Labour supporters try to force left leaning people into.
I.e. 1 When a Labour leader they don’t like loses an election it’s the left’s fault. 2 When a leader they do like loses an election it’s the left’s fault.
I saw the same double bind being envoked in this thread, so I thought I’d highlight it.
@Fedegenerate https://med-mastodon.com/@XraySonoCol/110877447317687630
@Fedegenerate Double bind isn’t intentional other than the one you described where lost elections are the left’s fault.
Perhaps I should restate my point - I want Labour to change and now they know. I have threatened a lost vote and they have no knowledge of whether I will hold to it that threat or not. That’s the point, not what my vote is as they couldn’t know what it would truly be before hand.
Oh no you must be so persecuted!
Although the last person that Labour put forward, wasn’t right leaning?
How well did he do in the vote against Boris? Or is that all the right wings fault too?
Hello exhibit A, thanks for joining us. Would you like to calm down and try again?
I agree though, Corbyn losing votes was Corbyn’s fault. This then means Kier pushing the left not to vote for him is Kier’s fault.
Except Labour supporters want it both ways, it was the left’s fault that Corbyn lost the election, and Starmer not winning the left’s vote is also the left’s fault.
This is called a double bind. I hope that clears things up for you.
I’m fine. I just find it amusing watching a party that spends it time blaming everyone else.
Corbyn lost the election because:
Starmer has the same issue, watching the Labour left crucify him for policies he doesn’t have, and misrepresenting his caution for committing money to projects when the Tories still have time to wreck and pillage everything further as reasons he won’t support the NHS at all is amazingly short sighted.
I know right? That’s what the double bind does. “It’s the left’s fault Corbyn lost the election, it’s the left’s fault they won’t vote for Starmer”. At least we can all have a bit of chuckle at them.