• stebo
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    1710 hours ago

    It doesn’t matter how good or bad her campaign was. All people in swing states who were able to vote but didn’t or voted third party have contributed to Trump’s victory.

    If your election system requires you to vote tactically, you have no choice but to vote tactically.

    • Hildegarde
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      36 hours ago

      It also requires you to campaign tactically. Kamala showed exactly what happens when you don’t.

      • stebo
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        129 hours ago

        No you’re right. America only pretends to be a democracy, but it most definitely is not. The electoral college alone causes some people’s votes to be more important than others. Then there’s the first-past-the-post system where you only need 50% of the votes to get 100% of the electors, which screws up things even more. And finally, many people are unable to cast their vote in the first place. Nothing about that is democratic.

        • @[email protected]
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          28 hours ago

          And despite all of that, you still focus the blame on the voters, instead of on the system which is working exactly as intended, including your part in it which you are actively playing while convinced you are really opposing it somehow (you’re not).

          • stebo
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            58 hours ago

            okay and what is your plan to change that system? because I don’t think Trump being president is going to help with that

        • knightly the Sneptaur
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          49 hours ago

          I still vote, but I gave up on the idea that we will be allowed to vote our way out of the descent into Fascism roughly 25 years ago.

          • @[email protected]
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            5 hours ago

            You’re thinking of rhythm. You have it or you don’t. That’s a fallacy.

            Democracy is constantly evolving and, hopefully, improving. No system or framework is perfect, and one that stays the same will eventually expose its flaws.

            I’m still hopeful that we’ll end up better on the other side of this. Look at Germany now. Or at least a few years ago.

            • @[email protected]
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              14 hours ago

              In a given moment, yes you either have rhythm or you dont. In this given moment, we have not a democracy but something else. I guess you could say I dont know what it is for sure, but I do know its not a democracy.

              I suppose you could argue that people choosing to support an oligarchy is a form of democracy though, since it is majority opinion.

    • @[email protected]
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      19 hours ago

      All people in swing states

      At least you’re realistic in your vote shaming. Major progress.