In about as progressive as can be, but I’m not in favor of every dumb idea just because “it’s a left idea”. We live in the real world too, yet I’ve been called a Nazi multiple times for not fully agreeing with every tiny detail.
It’s that exact attitude that had been pushing many people to the right, please stop doing that.
I’m against everything trump, pretty much everything what the Republican party has to offer, I can even see that Luigi has a good point that needs addressing, but at the same time I would like space to discuss items, or plain disagree with something. This space is omething that has disappeared since long time ago. I get it, but this is what trump wanted to begin with, create a “you’re with ur or against us” atmosphere.
You have to be able to disagree with certain individual things or if not you’re just in yet another fascist system.
Let the down votes come. Calls for being reasonable are very unpopular these days
Thank you. Nobody who is actually progressive becomes a nazi because someone was mean to them on the internet. That’s just fascist BS to get others to “be reasonable”.
There is currently a massive hate campaign on reddit against the owner of the “Optimists Unite” subreddit because it got flooded with anti-trump posts. It blew up when the owner said that he was going to clean up the subreddit and enforce rules so that it’s not just another political rage sub. From there literally tens of thousands of people have spread the rumor that this person is a nazi, that they’re right-wing and Trump supporter, etc. None of it had any real evidence other than a screenshot where he said he was going to “take the subreddit back” and somehow people took that to mean purging leftist politics entirely.
I have no dogs in the fight, I’m an outspoken leftist but I certainly don’t feel optimistic nor do I care what happens to the subreddit. But holy shit, the fervor and hate that people level against someone who just wants to do something specific and goal-oriented. The bots that jump into these bandwagons and hype up the emotions even more are making things even worse.
This was just one example that had high visibility, but you can imagine how many smaller-scale dramas burn out this way where someone faces mob wrath for just not wanting to engage in the same political binary.
To be clear, I think we should ALL engage in the political binary and fix the fucking thing, but I also wouldn’t hold a gun to anyone’s head and force them to wear a certain uniform or adhere to a specific narrative.
Human tribalism is very dangerous on either side. It’s far more dangerous on the right, but oftentimes even the best intentions just become fascism again when nobody is on-guard and careful how much power we’re giving a storyline. For further reading, just read any history books about communism and revolutions. There is a hard-wired system in human beings where we form societies based around shared narratives, and this force helped us survive millions of years and form groups in adverse conditions, but those human qualities are not adapted to a very complicated, digital world where we can all see and share ideas across the globe in an instant.
Yes, I agree but it’s not really what I’m talking about. We just all need to take care to keep our platform healthy and on the right track lest we lose ground because we’re blind to nuance. A very common and human risk that has to be acknowledged so this doesn’t become just another equally performative, insufferable campaign that loses public support. It’s more important than ever right now as the tide of media is shifting right.
well yeah, but you also don’t want to fall into the stereotype that the right always throws around and actually label people nazis for just not wanting to get involved, there is a difference and we shoot ourselves in the dick every time there’s some huge drama because some liberal doesn’t want to get involved or makes a crass joke and then a thousand tumbler teens accuse them of being Hiter incarnate.
Be un-nuanced about condemning fascism. Just pick your targets correctly, otherwise we’re doing the same thing as when a con screams “think of the children” and uses emotional appeals to create mindless mob hysteria without logic or reason. We can fight strong and smart. Beware thought terminating cliches on both sides.
It’s so easy to not be a Nazi though. Anyone can accuse me of being Hitler incarcerate, I’ll trash Hitler for being such a loser bitch he actually had to off himself because he couldn’t handle what a loser he was. I’ll trash talk Nazis from dawn to dusk for being such gross spineless turds they have to hide their faces when they go out in public.
I don’t see any downsides here. The more people are accused of being a Nazi, the more we can humiliate and dogpile on Nazis, the less anyone feels inclined to think about being a Nazi. The concepts of Nazism should be associated with so much shame that no one ever wants to touch Nazism again.
The more people are accused of being a Nazi, the more we can humiliate and dogpile on Nazis
Okay now you played your hand.
If you actually believe indiscriminate accusations are beneficial to a cause, you’re either as bad as them, or you’re just another goddamn bad-actor pretending to actually care. Or you’re a child with no real investment in this and you’re just saying shit for fun. Just get lost weirdo. We can be so much better than this.
Nazism should be associated with so much shame that no one ever wants to touch Nazism again
Yes, nobody is arguing this, your insistence on this point while obtusely ignoring the actual context here, that just calling anyone a nazi without evidence or reason just harms the left broadly.
Nazis are pathetic, weak little losers who deserve to be mocked and humiliated. That’s really all you need to say. Nazis need to feel powerful and superior, because they’re actually pitiful and spineless, so call them out for what they are and you beat your Nazi allegations.
On the other hand, Nazis thrive under “enlightened centrism”, “all sides are the same”, “tolerate everyone even the intolerant” so don’t do that if you aren’t a Nazi.
Yeah, no.
In about as progressive as can be, but I’m not in favor of every dumb idea just because “it’s a left idea”. We live in the real world too, yet I’ve been called a Nazi multiple times for not fully agreeing with every tiny detail.
It’s that exact attitude that had been pushing many people to the right, please stop doing that.
I’m against everything trump, pretty much everything what the Republican party has to offer, I can even see that Luigi has a good point that needs addressing, but at the same time I would like space to discuss items, or plain disagree with something. This space is omething that has disappeared since long time ago. I get it, but this is what trump wanted to begin with, create a “you’re with ur or against us” atmosphere.
You have to be able to disagree with certain individual things or if not you’re just in yet another fascist system.
Let the down votes come. Calls for being reasonable are very unpopular these days
Every single time.
You‘re a hero
Thank you for doing that legwork.
Is this you? https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/8/1786532/-Cartoon-You-made-me-become-a-Nazi
Thank you. Nobody who is actually progressive becomes a nazi because someone was mean to them on the internet. That’s just fascist BS to get others to “be reasonable”.
There is currently a massive hate campaign on reddit against the owner of the “Optimists Unite” subreddit because it got flooded with anti-trump posts. It blew up when the owner said that he was going to clean up the subreddit and enforce rules so that it’s not just another political rage sub. From there literally tens of thousands of people have spread the rumor that this person is a nazi, that they’re right-wing and Trump supporter, etc. None of it had any real evidence other than a screenshot where he said he was going to “take the subreddit back” and somehow people took that to mean purging leftist politics entirely.
I have no dogs in the fight, I’m an outspoken leftist but I certainly don’t feel optimistic nor do I care what happens to the subreddit. But holy shit, the fervor and hate that people level against someone who just wants to do something specific and goal-oriented. The bots that jump into these bandwagons and hype up the emotions even more are making things even worse.
This was just one example that had high visibility, but you can imagine how many smaller-scale dramas burn out this way where someone faces mob wrath for just not wanting to engage in the same political binary.
To be clear, I think we should ALL engage in the political binary and fix the fucking thing, but I also wouldn’t hold a gun to anyone’s head and force them to wear a certain uniform or adhere to a specific narrative.
Human tribalism is very dangerous on either side. It’s far more dangerous on the right, but oftentimes even the best intentions just become fascism again when nobody is on-guard and careful how much power we’re giving a storyline. For further reading, just read any history books about communism and revolutions. There is a hard-wired system in human beings where we form societies based around shared narratives, and this force helped us survive millions of years and form groups in adverse conditions, but those human qualities are not adapted to a very complicated, digital world where we can all see and share ideas across the globe in an instant.
Being a Nazi is tribalism.
Being anti-Nazi is being anti-tribalism.
Absolutely everyone is welcome to be anti-Nazi, and we absolutely should all unite together as humanity in being anti-Nazi.
Yes, I agree but it’s not really what I’m talking about. We just all need to take care to keep our platform healthy and on the right track lest we lose ground because we’re blind to nuance. A very common and human risk that has to be acknowledged so this doesn’t become just another equally performative, insufferable campaign that loses public support. It’s more important than ever right now as the tide of media is shifting right.
I don’t see any need for nuance in being anti-Nazi.
well yeah, but you also don’t want to fall into the stereotype that the right always throws around and actually label people nazis for just not wanting to get involved, there is a difference and we shoot ourselves in the dick every time there’s some huge drama because some liberal doesn’t want to get involved or makes a crass joke and then a thousand tumbler teens accuse them of being Hiter incarnate.
Be un-nuanced about condemning fascism. Just pick your targets correctly, otherwise we’re doing the same thing as when a con screams “think of the children” and uses emotional appeals to create mindless mob hysteria without logic or reason. We can fight strong and smart. Beware thought terminating cliches on both sides.
It’s so easy to not be a Nazi though. Anyone can accuse me of being Hitler incarcerate, I’ll trash Hitler for being such a loser bitch he actually had to off himself because he couldn’t handle what a loser he was. I’ll trash talk Nazis from dawn to dusk for being such gross spineless turds they have to hide their faces when they go out in public.
I don’t see any downsides here. The more people are accused of being a Nazi, the more we can humiliate and dogpile on Nazis, the less anyone feels inclined to think about being a Nazi. The concepts of Nazism should be associated with so much shame that no one ever wants to touch Nazism again.
Seems like a big win to me.
Okay now you played your hand.
If you actually believe indiscriminate accusations are beneficial to a cause, you’re either as bad as them, or you’re just another goddamn bad-actor pretending to actually care. Or you’re a child with no real investment in this and you’re just saying shit for fun. Just get lost weirdo. We can be so much better than this.
Yes, nobody is arguing this, your insistence on this point while obtusely ignoring the actual context here, that just calling anyone a nazi without evidence or reason just harms the left broadly.
Bye nazi scum
Nazis are pathetic, weak little losers who deserve to be mocked and humiliated. That’s really all you need to say. Nazis need to feel powerful and superior, because they’re actually pitiful and spineless, so call them out for what they are and you beat your Nazi allegations.
On the other hand, Nazis thrive under “enlightened centrism”, “all sides are the same”, “tolerate everyone even the intolerant” so don’t do that if you aren’t a Nazi.
What little detail was it?
Based af