Lets not resort to name calling or personal attacks here. You stated there are “Thousands of videos” of FSD related accidents, I only asked for a few examples. Please tell me where it is you’re getting this information. Help me change my mind.
Do you understand what a “rolling stop” is? It is when you don’t come to a complete stop at a stop sign, you slow down to 0.5 or 1mph, check both ways and move through. This has been studied time and time again that practically NOBODY on the road comes to a full and complete stop at stop signs. That is how the FSD beta was working in earlier releases because thats how it learned to drive. NHTSA said they had to come to a complete stop so Tesla fixed it. You again said that Teslas were still rolling through stop signs and I’m once again asking where you got that information?
“Actually owning one of these foolish gadgets for 5 years” I’m guessing you’re trying to say you own a Tesla? You clearly don’t have FSD because if you did you’d know that it makes full stops 100% of the time. I certainly have doubts you actually do own a tesla because if someone spends 40-60 grand on something they consider a “Foolish Gadget” why on earth would they hold on to it for so long? Just sell it and get something else, move on with your life and don’t bash people who like their cars.
I’ve asked you, now 3 times now to present evidence. Video evidence of FSD doing dangerous things. Given that all teslas have 360 dashcams that are constantly recording and we live in an age of such ease of video sharing that really shouldn’t be a big ask if FSD is as dangerous as you’re implying. These incidents should be happening daily. That is what would change my mind. What would change your mind?
I bought my model Y in 2020 with FSD and emailed tesla for early beta access based on my engineering experience and the part of the country I’m located in. They granted it almost a year later and I’ve been driving with it almost every day since. Why on earth would you doubt that? Do you need some kind of evidence?
Lets not resort to name calling or personal attacks here
If you’re going to be a liar, I’m going to call you one.
Someone has already provided you samples and you contorted yourself trying to deny their existence still. That shows the caliber of person you are.
Do you understand what a “rolling stop” is?
Do you understand what a red light and a stop sign are? See, traffic control devices are to be obeyed properly, and creating software that intentionally breaks the law is irresponsible at best. Only a clown would attempt to defend this. Meanwhile, you’re ignoring Elon’s own video from a week ago because it instantly disproves your insane position.
I’m guessing you’re trying to say you own a Tesla?
I did. I learned my lesson and am a proud one-and-done former tesla owner.
You clearly don’t have FSD
I did. Swing and a miss.
it makes full stops 100% of the time
Except, you know, the fucking recall proves it didn’t. And it still doesn’t after the recall. And of course, it misses traffic control devices frequently, ignores them at speed, attempts to pull through them when stopped, etc. Please, do yourself a favor and end this now. Lying to me isn’t going to work.
if someone spends 40-60
2018 P3D with performance package. More like 70+, with EAP from the factory, and the $2k FSD upgrade when Elon was busy being an idiot about pricing. If you have any questions for someone that’s actually owned one, I’d be glad to answer them for you.
why on earth would they hold on to it for so long?
Waiting for my replacement.
don’t bash people who like their cars.
I didn’t. I bashed you for being a liar.
I’ve asked you, now 3 times now to present evidence.
I asked what evidence would change your mind, and I see you entirely dodged that question. Because there is none. There’s nothing that would change your mind, because your mind is made up. It’s religion, and you don’t convince someone their religion is nonsense. I’m not surprised, of course. All liars behave like this- they pretend there’s something that could completely shift their world view, and change a core piece of their identity… like simping for Musk. But deep down, they know. There’s no such evidence. The racism, the sexual assaults, the financial grift, the hard right bullshit, the transphobia and homophobia, none of that changes your mind. The untested nature of AP and FSD, the release of “smart” summon that immediately started crashing into things, the fact they sent engineers down to Chuck Cook’s intersection for three months to program a single behavior. None of that sinks in when you believe in the religion of Tesla.
I bought my model Y in 2020
lmao, so absolutely didn’t have FSD longer than me. Delightful. Hysterical and delightful.
FSD was released in late 2020 yet you’re claiming you bought and used it in 2018? Who’s the liar now?
Also how can you have so much time to write your long winded rants about Musk, but can’t be bothered to actually discuss the technology nor provide a single shred of evidence backing up a single one of your claims?
Someone has poor reading comprehension. See where I said I bought the car in 2018, with eap equipped, and then I say I bought FSD in 2019 when Elon lowered the price to $2k?
Cool. How’d you get access to it years before it came out? It wasn’t available in 2018 nor 2019 (which you did not state in your comment) nor til roughly early 2021 with special permission from Tesla. Sounds like you’re not telling the truth here. There’s a term for people that don’t tell the truth…
Oof. You reading the words you’re typing here? You realize that FSD has been on sale since long before people were invited to the beta, right? Like, you wouldn’t come here to attempt to argue with me and not even know that extremely basic fact, would you? Because that would be embarrassing for you.
Sounds like you’re an alt for the account farming downvotes trying to smoke screen for yourself.
I am reading what you’re typing, which is why I’m confused about your story here as it seems to be changing with each new comment.
You bought what you referred to as “a foolish gadget” in 2018
After driving this ‘foolish gadget’ for an entire year, you willingly decided to spend thousands of dollars extra for a software upgrade, even going as far as to state Musk was “being an idiot on the pricing” meaning you think this software was priced too low.
You then laugh tell the guy who bought his Tesla and FSD in 2020 stating you’d been using FSD “way longer” than he had even though he’d bought it pre-release and had to apply for permission to use it in late 2020, the first time they’d allowed non-employees to begin using the software
Now you claim you were only talking about having bought it earlier, conveniently ignoring the fact that you’d just previously talked about using said software earlier.
So which is it? You bought it with the car like you initially stated? You bought it later in 2019 after driving the car you hated for a whole year, thinking Tesla deserved more of your money? Did you use the software early like you’d initially claimed or is it that you just bought it early like you’re now claiming?
I think I’m beginning to see why you were so quick to resort to ad hominems and calling people liars when asked for evidence of your claims earlier. Almost as if you’re projecting your own personal feelings onto others because you know your argument isn’t backed by truth or facts.
Nothing I’ve said has changed, you simply have no understanding of the topic at hand but you’re attempting to tell me I’m wrong. There’s a name for people like that.
Yep.
I owned it for 5 years, actually. You missed those comments in the other thread, no doubt. Also, I bought the $2k upgrade because I knew the cost of upgrading from HW2.5 to HW3 alone would be $2k. Turns out i actually saved money there.
meaning you think this software was priced too low.
No, I mean he was being an idiot. Again, because you have no idea WTF you’re talking about, you’re missing the required context here. Elon changed the price three times in the span of a month and a half. First he jacked it up, people got very angry, so he dropped it again and people that just paid the jacked up price got angry. So then he offered a discount on existing purchases in the form of a refund check, dropped the price to $2k for FSD, and gave a very loose timeline describing when he’d raise the price again. Knowing that I had HW 2.5 and that the HW3 computer alone could cost more than $2k to upgrade, I took that deal. Also got my $5k refund on top of it.
If you knew anything about Tesla’s history, I wouldn’t have to explain that to you. But here you are, trying hard to be a White Knight and failing miserably.
Yup. See, the guy that bought it on his Model Y? He didn’t get access as soon as I did. One of the perks of being an early buyer- Some of us did actually get earlier access, even though Elon lied about that benefit.
No I’m not. You came in here like a fool talking about when I bought it, obviously not realizing that you could buy it in 2019. Which I made fun of you for. I still got access to it before the other guy, but I also bought it before them. You know so little about the topic that you conflated the two until I explained the difference.
You bought it with the car like you initially stated?
I didn’t say that anywhere. Quote for me where I said that. You can’t because I didn’t. So now you’re resorting to your other account’s tactics? Neat.
The funny thing here is that you can’t conceive of the fact that I bought the car, it was good for a year but I smelled the scam cooking. But I still wanted the hardware upgrade. And that as the “upgrades” to the vehicle’s software kept coming, the car got worse over time. You know so little about this topic that it’s almost funny to see you floundering like this. You can’t imagine someone buying a Tesla, enjoying it until it starts having problems, then realizing what the con was all along. And that’s why this is religion to you people.
Anyway, bye now. I know it’s harsh you got all those downvotes on your other account, but that seems to be the way Musk simps get dealt with on Lemmy.
I genuinely feel like I’m losing my mind here. Maybe that was your entire goal. Maybe its that you’re not listening and just like projecting your own opinions. I don’t know who or what hurt you or why you’re so angry but I’m done here. I’ve asked repeatedly for any sort of evidence as to why you feel this way, why you think FSD behaves this way and instead of providing anything you just escalate it and now we’re at name calling and calling me a liar. This is far from being a productive conversation. There’s so much to unpack here in this… whatever this is… you just posted I just really don’t … I can’t spend any more energy on it.
Why do I think FSD behaves poorly? Because the software is garbage, proof of concept level, implemented hastily under nonsense timelines, driven by a weirdo that has absolutely no idea WTF he’s talking about at any moment.
calling me a liar.
I prefer to use the term “identifying” you as a liar.
Anyway, nice work providing what kind of evidence would convince you. I knew you’d never do that.
How is that not possible that something that lots of people do can’t still be illegal? Doing 1mph over the speed limit is also illegal.
Coming to a complete stop is illegal, yes. The overwhelming majority of drivers do not do this. As a result, drivers do not expect it. Doing so increases risk of being rear-ended and can cause road rage. A self driving car is wrong, technically, in both cases if it does or doesn’t come to a complete stop. Just as it is wrong in both cases to exceed or not exceed the speed limit to keep with the flow of traffic. At the end of it I would side with what is legal which is what FSD does now as a result of the recall.
The reason it did not come to a full stop before is because the whole system is trained on human drivers. And thats how human drivers drive.
Lets not resort to name calling or personal attacks here. You stated there are “Thousands of videos” of FSD related accidents, I only asked for a few examples. Please tell me where it is you’re getting this information. Help me change my mind.
Do you understand what a “rolling stop” is? It is when you don’t come to a complete stop at a stop sign, you slow down to 0.5 or 1mph, check both ways and move through. This has been studied time and time again that practically NOBODY on the road comes to a full and complete stop at stop signs. That is how the FSD beta was working in earlier releases because thats how it learned to drive. NHTSA said they had to come to a complete stop so Tesla fixed it. You again said that Teslas were still rolling through stop signs and I’m once again asking where you got that information?
“Actually owning one of these foolish gadgets for 5 years” I’m guessing you’re trying to say you own a Tesla? You clearly don’t have FSD because if you did you’d know that it makes full stops 100% of the time. I certainly have doubts you actually do own a tesla because if someone spends 40-60 grand on something they consider a “Foolish Gadget” why on earth would they hold on to it for so long? Just sell it and get something else, move on with your life and don’t bash people who like their cars.
I’ve asked you, now 3 times now to present evidence. Video evidence of FSD doing dangerous things. Given that all teslas have 360 dashcams that are constantly recording and we live in an age of such ease of video sharing that really shouldn’t be a big ask if FSD is as dangerous as you’re implying. These incidents should be happening daily. That is what would change my mind. What would change your mind?
I bought my model Y in 2020 with FSD and emailed tesla for early beta access based on my engineering experience and the part of the country I’m located in. They granted it almost a year later and I’ve been driving with it almost every day since. Why on earth would you doubt that? Do you need some kind of evidence?
If you’re going to be a liar, I’m going to call you one.
Someone has already provided you samples and you contorted yourself trying to deny their existence still. That shows the caliber of person you are.
Do you understand what a red light and a stop sign are? See, traffic control devices are to be obeyed properly, and creating software that intentionally breaks the law is irresponsible at best. Only a clown would attempt to defend this. Meanwhile, you’re ignoring Elon’s own video from a week ago because it instantly disproves your insane position.
I did. I learned my lesson and am a proud one-and-done former tesla owner.
I did. Swing and a miss.
Except, you know, the fucking recall proves it didn’t. And it still doesn’t after the recall. And of course, it misses traffic control devices frequently, ignores them at speed, attempts to pull through them when stopped, etc. Please, do yourself a favor and end this now. Lying to me isn’t going to work.
2018 P3D with performance package. More like 70+, with EAP from the factory, and the $2k FSD upgrade when Elon was busy being an idiot about pricing. If you have any questions for someone that’s actually owned one, I’d be glad to answer them for you.
Waiting for my replacement.
I didn’t. I bashed you for being a liar.
I asked what evidence would change your mind, and I see you entirely dodged that question. Because there is none. There’s nothing that would change your mind, because your mind is made up. It’s religion, and you don’t convince someone their religion is nonsense. I’m not surprised, of course. All liars behave like this- they pretend there’s something that could completely shift their world view, and change a core piece of their identity… like simping for Musk. But deep down, they know. There’s no such evidence. The racism, the sexual assaults, the financial grift, the hard right bullshit, the transphobia and homophobia, none of that changes your mind. The untested nature of AP and FSD, the release of “smart” summon that immediately started crashing into things, the fact they sent engineers down to Chuck Cook’s intersection for three months to program a single behavior. None of that sinks in when you believe in the religion of Tesla.
lmao, so absolutely didn’t have FSD longer than me. Delightful. Hysterical and delightful.
FSD was released in late 2020 yet you’re claiming you bought and used it in 2018? Who’s the liar now?
Also how can you have so much time to write your long winded rants about Musk, but can’t be bothered to actually discuss the technology nor provide a single shred of evidence backing up a single one of your claims?
Someone has poor reading comprehension. See where I said I bought the car in 2018, with eap equipped, and then I say I bought FSD in 2019 when Elon lowered the price to $2k?
Simping isn’t going to get you very far here.
Cool. How’d you get access to it years before it came out? It wasn’t available in 2018 nor 2019 (which you did not state in your comment) nor til roughly early 2021 with special permission from Tesla. Sounds like you’re not telling the truth here. There’s a term for people that don’t tell the truth…
Oof. You reading the words you’re typing here? You realize that FSD has been on sale since long before people were invited to the beta, right? Like, you wouldn’t come here to attempt to argue with me and not even know that extremely basic fact, would you? Because that would be embarrassing for you.
Sounds like you’re an alt for the account farming downvotes trying to smoke screen for yourself.
I am reading what you’re typing, which is why I’m confused about your story here as it seems to be changing with each new comment.
You bought what you referred to as “a foolish gadget” in 2018
After driving this ‘foolish gadget’ for an entire year, you willingly decided to spend thousands of dollars extra for a software upgrade, even going as far as to state Musk was “being an idiot on the pricing” meaning you think this software was priced too low.
You then laugh tell the guy who bought his Tesla and FSD in 2020 stating you’d been using FSD “way longer” than he had even though he’d bought it pre-release and had to apply for permission to use it in late 2020, the first time they’d allowed non-employees to begin using the software
Now you claim you were only talking about having bought it earlier, conveniently ignoring the fact that you’d just previously talked about using said software earlier.
So which is it? You bought it with the car like you initially stated? You bought it later in 2019 after driving the car you hated for a whole year, thinking Tesla deserved more of your money? Did you use the software early like you’d initially claimed or is it that you just bought it early like you’re now claiming?
I think I’m beginning to see why you were so quick to resort to ad hominems and calling people liars when asked for evidence of your claims earlier. Almost as if you’re projecting your own personal feelings onto others because you know your argument isn’t backed by truth or facts.
Nothing I’ve said has changed, you simply have no understanding of the topic at hand but you’re attempting to tell me I’m wrong. There’s a name for people like that.
Yep.
I owned it for 5 years, actually. You missed those comments in the other thread, no doubt. Also, I bought the $2k upgrade because I knew the cost of upgrading from HW2.5 to HW3 alone would be $2k. Turns out i actually saved money there.
No, I mean he was being an idiot. Again, because you have no idea WTF you’re talking about, you’re missing the required context here. Elon changed the price three times in the span of a month and a half. First he jacked it up, people got very angry, so he dropped it again and people that just paid the jacked up price got angry. So then he offered a discount on existing purchases in the form of a refund check, dropped the price to $2k for FSD, and gave a very loose timeline describing when he’d raise the price again. Knowing that I had HW 2.5 and that the HW3 computer alone could cost more than $2k to upgrade, I took that deal. Also got my $5k refund on top of it.
If you knew anything about Tesla’s history, I wouldn’t have to explain that to you. But here you are, trying hard to be a White Knight and failing miserably.
Yup. See, the guy that bought it on his Model Y? He didn’t get access as soon as I did. One of the perks of being an early buyer- Some of us did actually get earlier access, even though Elon lied about that benefit.
No I’m not. You came in here like a fool talking about when I bought it, obviously not realizing that you could buy it in 2019. Which I made fun of you for. I still got access to it before the other guy, but I also bought it before them. You know so little about the topic that you conflated the two until I explained the difference.
I didn’t say that anywhere. Quote for me where I said that. You can’t because I didn’t. So now you’re resorting to your other account’s tactics? Neat.
The funny thing here is that you can’t conceive of the fact that I bought the car, it was good for a year but I smelled the scam cooking. But I still wanted the hardware upgrade. And that as the “upgrades” to the vehicle’s software kept coming, the car got worse over time. You know so little about this topic that it’s almost funny to see you floundering like this. You can’t imagine someone buying a Tesla, enjoying it until it starts having problems, then realizing what the con was all along. And that’s why this is religion to you people.
Anyway, bye now. I know it’s harsh you got all those downvotes on your other account, but that seems to be the way Musk simps get dealt with on Lemmy.
I genuinely feel like I’m losing my mind here. Maybe that was your entire goal. Maybe its that you’re not listening and just like projecting your own opinions. I don’t know who or what hurt you or why you’re so angry but I’m done here. I’ve asked repeatedly for any sort of evidence as to why you feel this way, why you think FSD behaves this way and instead of providing anything you just escalate it and now we’re at name calling and calling me a liar. This is far from being a productive conversation. There’s so much to unpack here in this… whatever this is… you just posted I just really don’t … I can’t spend any more energy on it.
People already posted links. Go look at them.
Why do I think FSD behaves poorly? Because the software is garbage, proof of concept level, implemented hastily under nonsense timelines, driven by a weirdo that has absolutely no idea WTF he’s talking about at any moment.
I prefer to use the term “identifying” you as a liar.
Anyway, nice work providing what kind of evidence would convince you. I knew you’d never do that.
I sure do. I got pulled over for doing one. Because they’re not legal.
Correct. They’re not. And thats why there was a recall and that’s why FSD no longer does them.
You were just defending them as something lots of people do. Make up your mind.
How is that not possible that something that lots of people do can’t still be illegal? Doing 1mph over the speed limit is also illegal.
Coming to a complete stop is illegal, yes. The overwhelming majority of drivers do not do this. As a result, drivers do not expect it. Doing so increases risk of being rear-ended and can cause road rage. A self driving car is wrong, technically, in both cases if it does or doesn’t come to a complete stop. Just as it is wrong in both cases to exceed or not exceed the speed limit to keep with the flow of traffic. At the end of it I would side with what is legal which is what FSD does now as a result of the recall.
The reason it did not come to a full stop before is because the whole system is trained on human drivers. And thats how human drivers drive.
Again, you were defending it because a lot of people do it. You were defending it breaking the law.