Any critiques, desire for clarity, outright hatred, whatever have you. I will respond the best I can.
I know there’s been some blowback on some of the policy updates but it’s been difficult to really explain fully that the restrictive content policy is temporary, this community was very unmanaged for a time and it had to be reigned in somehow and with the limited tools at disposal the temporary policy changes were made.
Here’s a comment that also explains a little bit behind the decisions made recently as well.
For community mods, we have a community mod coord matrix group chat now. Feel free to DM about it.
Also, there’s another ongoing discussion regarding SFW communities on lemmyNSFW here.
My initial impressions as a new lemmy user: Sure, it could use more content, bugfixes, discoverability, and so on. But it’s the reddit alternative I’ve been looking for. I see so much potential and I think I can finally make the switch for good.
However, since then it’s been constant bans and defederations that have somehow made it more restrictive than reddit. I have no interest in and will never understand the appeal of communities like scat, vore, guro etc. but I think that they have a right to exist and greatly contribute to that “early internet” feel. The stance towards most fictional/drawn content seems fairly arbitrary as well.
I understand the reasoning behind these restrictions given the state of lemmy right now, but I really hope this is as temporary as you say.
Once lemmy matures to a point where some of the more controversal content is not automatically promoted to other instances by default (like in /all) and there are better ways to filter and tag content, can we expect a return from the more edgy communities? Will lemmyNSFW really federate with more instances? Because the current state of things along with statements from previous admins make the instance feel pretty hostile right now.
The admin team is trying to resolve these issues to the best they can, The scat, vomit, and bloody are temporary bans, and in private they do make it very clear that they dont want it banned permenantly, i know it can be hard as a user to trust admins on this, but the best i can do is assure you that they want to make the right call on that.
I beleive ( I cant speak for the admins directly, but this is my understanding of the conversation) That the plan is for the final ban list once tools improve to be
IRL: Rape/NonConsented posting/deepfakes (legal reasons (alot of countries require you to act on this style of content)) underage content of any kind (legal reasons) Random Gore (like liveleak stuff, we dont really think we are the right place for this) Bestiality (Legal Reasons) Politics especially of certain countries (Legal Reasons, due to country of hosting)
Drawn/hentai/etc Underage content of any kind (legal reasons) Bestiality (Legal Reasons: so essentially non anthro of relatively realistic animals. (Legal Reasons, think things like Non humanoid looking pokemon, non anthro furry, unicorns,dogs,horses,etc) r/Guro style NSFW (again i think they just dont really think this is the best place for this, but they might be open to revisiting it in the future)
Ones im unsure what admins think, but they are currently reconsidering: The hentai consent rules are difficult right now, and they know that they are looking for solutions, and likely it would get redone when scat/vomit is re allowed as that would also allow hiding triggering content like this. Im unsure what degree they are looking at changing it.
As far as i recall The defederations have been either due to legal issues (avoiding hosting loli and such as we have to rehost the data from any federated instances) or in the case of one of them becouse the instances admins encorouged users to go to different instances, and troll their admin teams. This caused a massive mess across the lemmyverse, and resultted in many instances defederating from them, and stating they would defederate with instances that remained federated with them.
@[email protected] correct me if im wrong here, i tried to sum up the discussions we have had ?
I’m still of the opinion that if tentacle monsters are allowed, pokemon sex (or any fantasy monster) should be allowed. If pokemon isn’t allowed, tentacle monsters shouldn’t either.
Honestly, all I fundamentally care about is consistency.
My opinion about rape/cnc (in fiction) is the same too. Either it’s all allowed or all disallowed; otherwise it’s impossible to distinguish between rape/cnc satisfactorily (and I still disagree with your assessments that xyz “aren’t rape” – ask random people who aren’t familiar with hentai on the street and I still think they would think at least 70% of the images probably depict something nonconsensual).
Also I’ll continue to make reports on this subject (for artwork that appears to be nonconsensual) until @gavi or one of the admins update the official rules, so please encourage them to make an official announcement on the matter.
your free to do that.
That being said i will ignore any reports relating to the following subjects:
Tentacle’s not being allowed
character would not agree to this
wearing schoolgirl uniform therefore loli. Colleges, fetishes, and seniors exist. Ill still check the characters age wherever possible, especially on any report
Rape becouse drugs are in frame
I will take and have taken all other reports seriously
If that’s true, then that would be reassuring. I really don’t agree with some of the current rules as they are (like the pokemon one makes almost zero sense to me, especially since it’s a staple of r34 coms) but I understand why they’d be taking it slow right now.
Good moderation is vital to a healthy community as big as this one aims to be, but if these rules are here to stay, I would seriously consider moving to a different instance.
If the admins could confirm a reevaluation once the tools improve and keep us updated on that, then I think I can stick around. I still like this instance overall and want to see it grow.
So i was actually running the pokemon one that got banned, and to be clear the porn they banned was feralstyle hentai (it was port of this subreddit :https://www.reddit.com/r/FeralPokePorn/) which makes a bit more sense compared to like banning gardevior or something. i do hope the rules relax over time, its always hard at the start of projects like this especially when your dealing with hosting the content yourself
I think once we can clarify the legal standard we (as admins) and our hosting is going to be held to, we’ll be able to. There’s a general concern that if we aren’t absurdly proactive and protective then one of us might end up in jail for this instance, and no one wants that.
But we also don’t really have any money for lawyers, too, so like, it’s hard to figure this out.
In my estimation, assuming communities have competent and responsive and rule abiding moderators, I don’t see why these communities can’t exist.