When this instance first started, I don’t think it was fully anticipated how large it would get. The place where this instance was when I first stepped up as admin was wholly unsustainable long term. There was little direction as to what the instance’s intentions as a website were, and the specific intentions it seemed to lean towards (being a sort of reddit 2.0) is not something we have the ability to handle. Neither monetarily nor legally.

The expectations that this instance specifically would be replacing reddit nsfw content entirely is not realistic, and the expectations that have been had for what all of lemmy is capable of has been much higher than what the backend side of things is at right now. Rome was not built in a day, and the same is true for communities of this nature. We are utilizing a platform based on a philosophy that hasn’t been widely used outside of email since the early Internet, while now having to work the laws and limitations that the current Internet now presents as well. It’s an experiment, and just like all other communities we have made mistakes and are trying our best while figuring this out together. This is not a business, we are not shareholders, we are simply passionate volunteers.

Right now, our team has been paying attention to concerns and feedback that have been raised. We are currently actively engaged in a discussion of what the next steps are from here. My hasty implementation of the current restrictive content policy was not something to do long term but an attempt to reign in a community with what felt to have little restrictions and many issues popping up. There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes of managing a community like this. The current policy as it stands right now, has been a band aid while we discuss further how to move forward. And we have been.

And thankfully we have a much bigger back-end team than before. What has helped the most to provide insight is that we have a back-end team member who has active experience in hosting adult websites within the legal span of the law. We also have backend team members who are helping to build mod tools not just for lemmyNSFW but with active collaboration with others across instances as well.

As we have discussed rule changes and throwing things at the wall, our biggest aspect has been determining if we are on the same page as a team. Unfortunately, a now previous back-end team member decided that he was not. And that’s ok. However last night, instead of moving forward and deciding that our ethos as a team moving forward isn’t for them there was a post that was made that compiled our original rough draft for new content guidelines and attempted to pass them off as that is going to be our full go to as a community. It isn’t. We are discussing things and hashing things out as a team still but have made significant progress moving beyond what was discussed. When changes occur, we will make a post clarifying such changes. We ask for patience, please.

  • Nubbly
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    Lol, well that post that you guys nuked from the ex back-end moderator did bring up some concerning rules that you all were throwing around in prior public conversations. I am hoping the new ruleset is no where near as restrictive as the ex-mod made it out to be.

    Unless they held a grudge against the other back-end mods and admins personally, I don’t see why that ex-mod would lie and try to sabotage the instance.

    I am excited to see the new ruleset to compare how much of their claims were fabricated. Or if they were spot on in their concerns of the future of this instance.

    Fun times!


    Edit: Slight terminology change, @PaddedPerson apparently wasn’t an admin, but a back-end moderator. I have changed the terminology in my comment, but I don’t believe this changes the concerns.

    • @hwagoolio
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      Before the leak post was deleted, a comment from an admin (in very colorful language) implied that @PaddedPerson did this because they were upset that noncon/cnc was being banned entirely – which seems roughly consistent with my interactions with @PaddedPerson as well.

      Of course, this is just speculation at this point, but I’m about 90% sure that both noncon and cnc will be banned in the newest iteration of the rules. I hope I am wrong, though.

      • @SauceNaoBotB
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        I know we’ve had our issues, but cnc was not what upset me. It was the photo I’d verification, and source requirements.

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        • @LimeeyM
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          I don’t get why you’re acting like this was set in stone, I was effective in killing both of those ideas, and only mike was proposing them with gavi agreeing because he’s hella concerned about prosecution for his role as “head admin”

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      There was some very concerning language towards a mod from the ex-admin as well. I’ll admit I was on the way out until I saw that they were no longer on the team.

      I think this is a good time to recall that the reason we’re all here is because of the way mods were treated on reddit. Running this kind of site requires thick skin. More so when the focus is on NSFW content.

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        Who are you referring to as ex-admin? Padded isn’t and wasn’t ever an admin. He never even had admin access. He was only wanting to be involved in the back end stuff.

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          It was towards Padded. And my mistake, I see the other person’s still on the team. That’s…a problem.

          There was specific language involved. I believe it included the words “petulant child.” If you think that sort of response is inappropriate communication towards your mods and does not represent the rest of the team, I would suggest saying so.

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            According to the logs, Padded received a 27 year ban for “being an a–hole”.

            Could the other admins elaborate? I don’t know the full story and this seems very extreme at first glance.

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              It was extremely inappropriate and I conveyed that to Mikey directly. But honestly, I can’t blame him. He was hurt and frustrated as the rest of us are. Padded knew directly the complexities of dealing with this and by leaking the proposed rule changes to the most extreme he knew it would cause issues. We thought the split was amicable, but from his behavior it wasn’t. It felt like a betrayal.

              We are volunteers here. This wasn’t a “whistleblower,” it was someone deliberately trying to make our volunteer work on this site even harder. We are doing our best with very little. There is no blueprint here, we are learning as we go. People have this expectation that sites like this in a software in its infancy are going to be as functional reddit, and it’s not going to right out the box.

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              I didn’t even see that. Yeah, I’m gone. The ban is likely justified, but the attitude is just…wow. Regardless of how much Padded may have escalated things from that point.

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    • Porn Account
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      Yeah, the rules in there were kinda insane. I really hope the real one is basically the exact opposite.