UPD 2023-12-05, 09:45: Thanks to first responders. I’ve got better answers than expected, both in constructiveness and mood and no less in an acceptance even if not agreeing on somethings. I will not be answering each and every from this point after, but may occasionally answer some.

Things I’ve learned – we are where we are ;) Belief in federated and etc… is strong here. I wasn’t blocked, banned and (sadly – as I like to kick back) nobody atack’ed me personaly :))). Lemmies-nsfw are not on defensive emotional mode or only right people happened to see my post.

Funny note: hadn’t noticed restored full upvotes/downvotes functionality right away as now it it rightly limited to channel-comunity subscibed readers. I wasn’t subscriber of c/asklemmynsfw, only occasional reader :) – so I had my minute of “wait it’s back? wtf, where?” :))) Thanks to devs and mods for that upgrade.

ORIGINAL POST:

  1. Got a bit tired of limited content here on lemmy nsfw, same several posters, almost empty chanels (communities), almost none somewhat valuable discussions.

  2. Then add the lost ability to sort anything by upvotes/downvotes and even if downvotes back, no existing functionality to sort by votes within the chanel (community).

  3. And on top of that, if you take random (non tech.) user, it’s too hard for them to understand how to begin to use lemmy – I recomend someone, they try it 5-15minutes to get onboard and lose it along the way.

  4. Jumped recently back to reddit, to check the things – I was among thirst wave of exodus, even removed my (nsfw reading) account there. I installed an app and got back there in 5 minutes (even while creating new account), and right away got it all – plenty of everything and full functionality. // P.S. and yes, I know that all technological diference stuff about distributed versus centralized lemmy vs reddit. That’s not a question.

  5. From point where my question stands there is no difference between centralized reddit mods moderation (you may call it authoritarism, dictatorship or elite driven *cracy – whatever) and lemmynsf (beeing just one specific server) mods ruling here. It’s one against one, both centralized no more and no less ~ same.

  6. So whats the deal? I’m begining to lose my understanding why stay on lemmynsf?

  7. Especially after quite clear hints that readers do not matter much here and it is not for convenience of them at all. Not clear if mods are eager to create env where only posters stroke (jerk) each other or they care about the readers and content self moderation (up to limits set by each channel-comunity rules ofcourse) but to the readers likings, or is this like instagram where some supposedly chatty “influesomethings” constantly spam in their own channels and others either follow, either not to their liking.

P.S. marking this as nsfw, as my question is only about lemmynsfw server and it’s comunity, readers, posters and mods opinions about env and arguments to stay/leave here. P.P.S. numbering each question description point – as each of them could be a separate discussion. I think it will be easyer to discuss it with less emotions, more with arguments and opinions on each or several items separately. ,

P.P.P.(is it enough of P’s :)S. Oh and feel free to atack personaly – I’ll try to enjoy it, but don’t cry then after if that’s your only argument or opinion. ;). Hints on correct english are wellcome, it gladly will be fixed - I’m non native speaker. Thanks.

  • lemmyposter212AEnglish
    11•7 months ago

    I use reddit for porn still. But I also use this, the communities are slowly growing, and we admins are trying to get user engagement up and toxicity down.

    We’ve already brought back downvotes, just limiting them to communities you’ve been subscribed to for a week.

    Additionally the admins here are here “in the trenches” so to speak wayyy more than reddit admins. If you report a spambot or someone who’s being incredibly toxic the response will be much quicker.

    We also are listening to what our users want, and we do our best to align what we do with what they want, while still being effective admins, like with the upvote changes.

    Instead of fully switching to one or the other, I recommend a hybrid approach, and also, if anyone here posts on reddit, maybe post the same post here too, or instead. That way we can get even more people posting.

    All in all, sustainable organic growth takes time. And we are literally a decade behind reddit in age, so it makes sense to not fully commit to lemmynsfw yet.

    We’re not as user or feature rich as reddit, but the lemmy devs are working hard, and we even have devs working on changes for our particular instance. Lemmy and lemmynsfw are getting better and more users day by day. It’ll just take some time.

    • @xL3moNOPEnglish
      1•7 months ago

      // Thanks to mods and dev people for upgrades

      Especially thanks for bringing back full functionality of up/down votes. Limiting it to comunities was the first thing I myself sugested, then someone reasoned for disabling, in one of the recent letting steam off posts. That is how votes should have worked from the very begining.

      I’ll note that this all fuss was avoidable, temporary solution was quite unnesessry and could have been avoided if not only posters (who are the louder beeings compared to readers) where taken into account. Thanks anyway, for atleast letting to get a steam out and not for bloking or removing posts and comments which where against.

      For as the old saying goes ;) Take my features once, shame on you. Take my features twise, shame on me – if not starting to look where the grass is greener. Bare beliefts in ideology about federated and shit, will not cover ass log if things become crippled compared to alternatives.

      • lemmyposter212AEnglish
        2•7 months ago

        While I agree with you that the community limited downvotes was always the best option, the reason we disabled them at that time is we had several creators say they were fed up with the level of downvotes and toxicity and were on the verge of leaving, and the community upvote solution didn’t exist so we had to act fast.

        Afterwards we saw a significant drop in the level of toxicity and an immediate increase in original content after we disabled downvotes.

        Thanks to fellow admin xaeg for crancking out that change so quickly! Speaking as a dev, working in a newish language and in a new code environment is hard, and he cranked that out really quickly.