• @[email protected]
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    Kiss his ass? No.

    Vote for him because he’s the alternative to a waking nightmare for a large part of my fellow Americans? Yes

    Do I wish the system was better? Yes. And to that point I’m voting for the guy who still believes in government and rule of law. If I ever want the system to change, I need to vote for the party that is interested in governance.

    If they vote for Trump they’re a garbage human. If they abstain, they’re a coward hiding behind “muh principles” while our neighbors have their rights stripped away.

    Edit: fucking tankies lol

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        First past the post voting is horrible. But until we get ranked choice, either hold your nose and vote, or understand that not voting is EXACTLY EQUIVALENT to a vote for whoever you hate most.

        CPG grey did a great video on why first past the post sucks.

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          Well said. And we’re NEVER going to get ranked vote with Biden or the current Democrats. Voting Democrat only keeps the two party gig going longer. How long has it been now, 150 years of the same back and forth?

          Unless they start to feel the need to change anything they will never do it if you keep voting for them when they act like this.

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            1810 months ago

            And we’re NEVER going to get ranked vote with Biden or the current Democrats.

            Au contraire. Ranked choice is gaining traction having been adopted in 62 jurisdictions. So change is possible right now.

            https://www.rcvresources.org/where-is-rcv-used

            So if you think protest voting is going to somehow snap the neo liberals out of their ideology and drag them in a more progressive direction, you’re going to be in for a big disappointment.

            This two party game has been going for 50 years in its current form (post civil rights era). The Democratic party hasn’t fundamentally changed its tune during that time because people who run and get elected are rich and powerful enough to be isolated from any effects of fascists getting elected. They don’t have to care like us peons / targets of hate.

            We will (continue) make more progress by supporting efforts to change our voting methods. Eventually (and playing the long game is necessary; a single election will do nothing) rcv and similar will gain enough momentum that we will start to see viable parties appear with platforms we agree with more than the current main parties.

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              I really don’t know what stops ranked choice voting from being a Democratic Party platform right now.

              I’d feel a lot better about it becoming a reality if Joe Biden himself came up and said that’s what we need to do.

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                210 months ago

                What stops ranked choice from being a Democratic Party platform is that the Democratic Party has no incentive to reduce its power and neither does the Republican party

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              So they say they are going to do something. You know who said they were going to withdraw from Afghanistan? Democrats.

              You know who did withdraw from Afghanistan? Orange Man.

              If you trust the guy currently bypassing congress so he can commit genocide instead of to fix the democracy, I’m not entirely sure how to convince you otherwise.

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                That’s odd because I distinctly remember all the Trumptards complaining about how horrible the withdrawal under Biden went. You sound like the jackass who was “just asking questions” about where Obama was on 9-11.

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                -110 months ago

                If you think one president is going to fix democracy you’re always going to be disappointed. It is much easier to wreck than to fix.

                If you think Democrats losing the presidency is going to fix the Democratic party, again, disappointment will be yours.

                Ranked Choice (or similar) voting is something you work on at a state level.

                But I’ve probably already said that to you in another comment in the past when you were saying the same kinds of things.

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                  Biden has complete powers to fix it he could apppoint more judges if he wanted to.

                  It’s in fact far easier to fix than you believe. It’s just that Genocide Joe knows that if the two party trick fails none of his cultists have any reason to vote for him anymore.

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                    Biden has complete powers to fix it he could apppoint more judges if he wanted to.

                    I’m talking about getting rid of the two party system. What are you talking about?

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            Electing Republicans puts us even FARTHER away from ranked choice, how is that a better solution?

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      Claiming to support a better system while refusing to abandon the current one that doesn’t work is performative. Biden does not believe in rule of law or the rights of humans. He and the DNC needs to be abandoned.

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        Difference is, if you vote for Trump or just don’t vote and Trump gets back in, that will make it WAY harder to change the system.

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          This is whats called bullshit hyperbole. Your statement assumes that if we vote blue hard enough the DNC they will change course and become representatives of the working class, and that reform can come from within the party. 50 years of ‘lesser evil’ has gone from indiscriminately locking up black men to full on genocide, and voters solution is reelect the people doing it.

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            No, my point was that letting trump back in would make any and all change nigh impossible for the foreseeable future

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              -310 months ago

              No it won’t. There’s this insane idea among liberals that everything democrats do take time and small incremental steps. And everything Republicans do is instant and everlasting.

      • @Clam_Cathedral
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        Sorry, but that’s not how democratic systems that use first past the post voting work.

        The system is working as designed, the issue is that half the voting base and therefore the average independent voter has been slowly and unknowingly becoming more susceptible to choosing fascism for decades due to declining economy, increasing corporate power on a global scale, and well funded propaganda from the right.

        Biden can’t go further left or he wouldn’t have won the democratic primary, remember Bernie? Even the democrat voters decided against him, with the help of some influence (The DNC counts as a corporation too).

        Our current situation is literally what our country voted for. Changing the system isn’t going to fully fix that.

        Now if 90% of the votes went to the left for whatever reason this next election or two (and local elections), then the current right collapses and the landscape shifts back to left. Maybe we would even get an actual left party in about 8 years. We’re hardly voting for a person, but rather an entire branch of government. And you can’t get elected without votes.

        Will any of that happen? Probably not, but in a democratic system, we aren’t getting out of this garbage pile unless the majority of VOTERS reject it. Or a unified strike, or a revolution… The point is there needs to be serious majority support, and right now they’re pretty comfortable with the fascists.

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          Funny how it’s always vote blue no matter who, whenever it’s a moderate running, but those very same moderates can’t suck it up and vote for a progressive. You literally just said that he wouldn’t get moderate Democratic votes if he went to the left.

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          A majority of us have decided to reject it by abandoning the DNC and their Blue fascist candidates. It hasnt been the independents choosing fascism, its been democrats accepting what they think is lesser evil for over 50 years. Your evil is so large it towers over people like Reagan

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      If we want the system to change, we have to get involved in local politics: pass Ranked Choice Voting, form and cultivate third parties to be viable alternatives, work to get money out politics. RCV is a very attainable goal.

      Sadly, I believe the only other option is revolution; that’s our current reality. I don’t see any other peaceful way that we could fix our corrupt and broken government. We no longer have a functioning federal government and democracy; we have an oligarchy and a political party that’s gone off the deep end into total fascism and Dominionism, with supporters who have started committing acts of terrorism when we push back against them.

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        So you have no domestic policies you care about? Like being able to vote against genocide in the future? Cause Trump has a lot of policies in mind that would seem to prevent doing anything about that later down the line.

        I can’t even call it shortsighted because it’s not like the other option is even going to help things short term. If anything the other option is just going to be even worse. So I don’t really get the stance other than a nihilistic “let everything burn” response.

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          Forget about the Nazi genocide, think about your student loans!

          It’s like watching poor billionaires not giving a shit about anyone but themselves.

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        Voting to support a little genocide, vs not voting and allowing a big genocide… Now where have I seen a philosophical problem like that before…

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          I see… Voting in support of the current genocide is an act of compassion. Right.

          As if voting blue, red, or not at all are the only options. I’m voting for the person who I decide deserves my vote. Not in support of the status quo.