• @[email protected]
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      No, you can’t. Hawaii is not a shall-issue state. It’s pretty much impossible to get a permit there. Also, criminals won’t be getting permits so why should we make law abiding citizens get them.

      Make the bad thing illegal. Don’t make the tools or the intermediate steps illegal

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        Fr, I’ve been looking into a tool (that is about to be banned in Canada) that lets you “hack” radio signals. It’s legal to buy and use on your own devices, I plan to use it on my car as after some research into my aftermarket lock I think I can. However if I use it to unlock someone else’s car and steal their stuff, that is illegal.

        Guns follows the same logic, yes, they can be used for crime; just like the f0 or the wifi pineapple, or the bashbunny, or rubberducky/badusb, but they can also be used for defense, like all those pentesting tools can legally be used for pentesting. It’s all in the person behind the item.

        • Liz
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          311 months ago

          This is the same crowd that will try to claim code is not a crime. Now, I agree with that statement, but at least I’m logically consistent and believe possession of a firearm should be perfectly legal.

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      True, and I’m cool with that but people take issue with things like that because it puts a financial barrier around the ability to defend themselves. Which doesn’t really hold weight when the gun itself is a financial barrier lol

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        The cost of complying with the dozens of legal hoops is often like 10-20x or more than the price of just a cheap pistol itself.

        Larger financial barriers just mean if you’re rich you can do what you want and if you’re not, you’re fucked, which often leads to people breaking these dumb laws and the cycle getting worse.

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          Larger financial barriers just mean if you’re rich you can do what you want and if you’re not, you’re fucked,

          This is a very dumb mentality. Like making sure your car is safe and roadworthy costs money. But we don’t view people who drive with broken break lights or worn out tyres so sympathetically.

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            411 months ago

            A janky car is a danger to others on the road, not having the proper paperwork for your gun only puts yourself in legal danger.

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              So you think people who haven’t practiced or gone through any gun safety course could only hurt themselves with a gun???

              • Liz
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                311 months ago

                Well an apples to apples comparison would be a rusty or dirty gun, which is way more likely to simply not work than it is to malfunction in a dangerous way. A rusty old car has multiple failure points that are dangerous to people who aren’t the driver.

                As for user competence, I would love to see firearms training become a standard class option in high school, just like driving is now. I’d rather we had a society where neither were necessary, but we’re not anywhere close to that ideal on either front.

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        I think adding undue cost holds weight even though we live in a society currently where people are expecting compensation for their materials and time. One is making it more expensive specifically because “the poors shouldn’t have guns,” one is how much a physical item is sold for. In a post scarcity society where everything is always free; sure I agree, that argument would be silly. But this ain’t that, we ain’t never had that, and I’m 99% sure we never will have that.

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      And then the state has a convenient list of who to go after once the shit hits the fan at the end of the year.

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        111 months ago

        They already have multiple lists. But also they tend to add names ad hoc when that kind of thing starts happening.

    • @And009
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      Just like you wouldn’t be driving without a license, but what if criminals have cars?