The lawsuit seeks to upend a major part of Apple’s business.

The US Department of Justice and 16 state and district attorneys general accused Apple of operating an illegal monopoly in the smartphone market in a new antitrust lawsuit. The DOJ and states are accusing Apple of driving up prices for consumers and developers at the expense of making users more reliant on its iPhones.

  • @[email protected]English
    1•9 months ago

    The filing is filled with stuff like this (and I’m paraphrasing here):

    Apple sells smartphones for up to $1,699 and makes a huge margin!

    The easy counterargument to that is that their biggest competitor, Samsung, sells their top end phone for $1,659. It seems like a crazy claim, how could Apple be charging so much, right? But that’s the norm in the market.

    The filing is filled with goofy stuff like that. I’m not cherry picking for the dumbest arguments, just for the shortest and easiest to understand one that’s near the front so you won’t have to read far in to check it for yourself. It is a nearly 90 page court filing after all.

    • @NotAGuyInAHatEnglish
      1•9 months ago

      Yep that’s 100% a bogus/bad claim. Do you think that these bad claims will invalidate their case though? I’ve seen several mentions that seem to have grounds. Restrictions on app store, digital wallets and hardware all seem problematic from a surface level read. Thoughts?

      • @[email protected]English
        1•9 months ago

        So let’s say the specific restrictions are unique to apple (there’s a good argument that they’re not, but for the sake of making the best case possible let’s assume they are), the state would still need to prove that they amounted to creation of monopoly conditions in apples favor in the smartphone market.

        That’s the language they’re using.

        It doesn’t seem like an argument that can be won.

        Take the messaging section, I’m paraphrasing again:

        Apple doesn’t make cross platform imessage applications even though it would help them (the filing does not make clear how it would help apple to do this)

        Later in the same section

        direct quote from apple c-suite that “making imessage available on other platforms would harm us”

        So which is it? Is apple making an unprofitable mistake by not providing a cross platform imessage implementation or are they greedily and monopolistically preventing that same to great profit? It literally can’t be both.

        There are a bunch of quotes in that section which do a great job of showing how apple executives want to make the most money for the company, but not a lot that tie that desire into monopolistic control over the smartphone market.

        It really seems like a case they’re not trying to win. I don’t know what the play is, but this can’t be the best the doj can do…

        • @NotAGuyInAHatEnglish
          1•9 months ago

          Hmmm. That doesn’t make sense I feel like I’m missing some key context. Perhaps they meant it doesn’t help their case? I’ll have to read the filing. I know that iMessage has been an issue simply because Apple has refused to comply with other (text) standards that their competitors have implemented. That could be stifling innovation in the market due to their share of it but perhaps that is in the filing elsewhere. I suppose a lot of this evidence would be actually presented when the case comes to trial though, right? How indicative of the case is the filing at this juncture? If it is as poor as you posit, would it even be evident at this point?

          • @[email protected]English
            1•9 months ago

            I’m not a lawyer, so don’t take this as some expert legal analysis, and the doj arguing against anyone isn’t exactly simple country law shit to begin with, but generally speaking you want to have a cohesive argument that doesn’t double back and eat its own tail in your initial filing.

            Like, if I were to file suit against you I might make some claims that I don’t fully back up but are at least feasible. I might not say that I have incontrovertible video evidence that you snuck over my fence on February 18th and fucked my aunt junes prize cactus but it’s normal for me to say I’m gonna show that you are behind instances of trespass and damage to flora in the area.

            Then maybe you wig out at the possibility of being outed and settle and we never have to go to court and avoid all the costs.

            Of course this isn’t a simple dispute over damages between some poor schmuck and a cactus fucker. Is it reasonable to think that the state is pursuing some other agenda when it files lawsuits that seem absurd on the face of em? Idk.

            It’s certainly possible that the state has more and greater evidence to bring to the table but to what end?

            I think the only thing we can say for sure is that it’s not for the purposes of “helping” the “consumer”.