• DarkenLM
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    207 months ago

    You are free to steal. And the rest of the community is free to beat the shit out of you.

    • @[email protected]
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      317 months ago

      If that’s how it works, then a stable anarchist society is impossible. The first asshole that comes along with a bigger gun than everyone else will have it right back to a dictatorship.

      • db0OP
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        217 months ago

        The community will band against the dictator as much as the thief

          • db0OP
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            7 months ago

            Their “blood thirst” of not wanting thieves and murderers in their society? You realize that our current society is orders more “blood thirsty” than what we describe but only that you hide the violence through the police and the brutal wars and genocides against other nations?

            • @[email protected]
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              You’re at the magical thinking “And then of course we will all…” crutch that a lot of philosophies lean on

              Capitalism: We’ll deregulate and open the market to everyone, and then there will be “perfect competition” in a “free market”

              Communism: We have state socialism until society is prepared, and then transition to communism

              Anarchism: We won’t have a central authority to prevent aggression, obviously we will work together as mutual interest aligns. And 100% no roving bands of raiders or warlords will ever ruin our society!

              • db0OP
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                67 months ago

                We won’t have a central authority to prevent aggression, obviously we will work together as mutual interest aligns.

                Yes, by definition that’s how anarchism works. If if wasn’t like this, it wouldn’t be anarchism. Not sure why this is a difficult concept to handle.

                And 100% no roving bands of raiders or warlords will ever ruin our society!

                Nobody said that external dangers are not a potential issue, but the plan is to oppose them. Not a difficult concept to grasp either.

                • @[email protected]
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                  67 months ago

                  I have fringe anarcho-syndicalist politics, I understand the theory. I also understand that nothing exists in a vacuum, and while our happy anarchy-commune/whatever of 3,000 aligned people may build mutual aid tranquillity in our area, others may not. And those others may choose banditry, and your stuff instead of working for food.

                  So our commune/syndicate/etc form a defensive structure/organization to stop/prevent them - you just created a military/police class of “most equals”. Who will need a command structure for doing the ‘gun/bat meet aggressor’ functions, and some kind of special remit from the community. Or we say no dedicated force and the classes it brings, and use the irregulars/militia model instead. Which has so many issues on so many different aspects that’s it’s not worth me typing out.

                  Ffs go read Hobbes’ Leviathan

      • @[email protected]
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        87 months ago

        That’s true for all types of society. But it also means that a completely anarchist society is more stable than the rest because the means of self defence are equally distributed and that everyone would rise against such authoritarian attack.

        • @[email protected]
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          217 months ago

          the means of self defence are equally distributed

          That has never been, and will never be true. You could magically eliminate all weapons on the planet simultaneously and it still won’t be true, since some people are bigger and stronger than others.

          And in case you haven’t been paying attention to history; authoritarians very rarely just show up out of nowhere and take over. They are usually installed as leader after some form of revolution, then the title just gets transferred once the authoritarian system is in place. It’s usually far more insidious than just some guy the village has to band together to fight off.

          • @[email protected]
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            37 months ago

            It doesn’t mean that every person has equal ability to physically defend themselves, but that society has the mechanisms to defend everyone that is being attacked. A grandma doesn’t need to be able to self defend against a thug in the street if the people nearby do it for her.

            The second paragraph is not relevant as there are no historical examples of a dictator getting into power from within an anarchist society.

            • @[email protected]
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              47 months ago

              Are there any historical examples of a large-scale anarchist society in the first place?

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      Thats why were actually in a “anarchy always has been” meme.

      We are free to ignore the law and to object any direct order.

      We are free to join a police force and protect the state, to join a police force and kill a civilian, free to take a firearm and kill a police officer, free to be killed by a police officer

      We are free to organize institutions and support those.

      You are free to join a line of thinking which brings you to a state of servitude.

      You are free to comply, others are free to hurt you based on but also regardless of what you do.

      Anarchy always has been, always will be.

      Sooner we realize how inevitable it is the quicker we can overcome the hurdle and to accept that: Only by also helping others can we truly better ourselves.

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      This, but much more importantly - when everyone’s needs are met, and there is no hierarchy to try and get to the top of at the expense of others, people will have no reason to do shit like steal in the first place.

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        And what about the long road it takes to get to everyone’s needs being met? How will you ever get to that point? It doesn’t just happen overnight.

        That may be no reason to do shit like that once everyone’s needs are being met, but there will be until you get to that point, and because of that, there’s no reason to think you would.

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        37 months ago

        You do realise ambition and greed are two sides of the same coin. Yes, resource scarcity effects this, but there will ALWAYS be people who want more