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I’m not prepared to be the kind of asshole to condemn a whole race of people. The majority of Germans supported Hitler and then the war ended and they’ve gotten a lot fucking better.
I’d be happy to accept any Isrealis that are willing to abandon ship.
not a race. fuck that racist bullshit.
if they already left; vet their shit, make sure they’re not still affiliated, and sure. dont hold the shit hole they were born in against them. but starting now, when they’re just afraid? nah. main lesson from world war 2 was we didn’t kill enough Nazis.
However you want to group or define Isreali citizens you are making a too broad generalization.
I don’t really care? they have been unwilling to stop for longer than I have been alive. they’ve been offered the moon,and turned it down, because they prefer genocide. they haven’t stopped. they haven’t had substantial internal strife or attempted revolutions or internal assassinations of particularly warmongery leaders.
their soldiers literally sing while they do atrocities, their prime minister says it, their citizens say it, their children say it.
Not a single joule of energy should be wasted attempting to preserve “Israeli” life. not ever. to do otherwise would be an insult to their victims. stopping this genocide and world war three must come first.
I dunno, maybe you think 1 genocidal pedophile life is worth global thermonuclear war. I guess agree to disagree?
So you’re saying we need a Final Solution to this Jewish Problem?
Call it the the genocidal problem. The issues isn’t with Jews in general, just people who are carrying out and supporting the genocide. I would lump Biden in with them as well.
oh absolutely Joe needs to go. as do the Nazis.
not a Jewish problem. a Nazi problem. nothing makes Hezbollah look good quite like hebarrah does.
Are you saying all Jews are Israeli?
Are you saying all Israelis are Jews?
No.
you saying theres a way to stop world war 3 without glassing that shit hole?
and stop saying Israelis are Jews. they’re not. they once rationalized an internal purge by saying ‘if you kill other Jews for political reasons, youre out’ to kill other Jews for political reasons, then did the whole white supremacist sterilizing of Ethiopian Jews. they are not. they do not count. and even if they did, Jewish communities ive spoken to feel, at best, mildly embarrassed by them.
Jews are an ethnic group, culture, and religion, but not a race. It’s a common enough misconception spread via the media. Also any given Jew is not necessarily all three.
The lesson from World War II is that war can only delay the spread of an idea, but not destroy it. Ideas have to be fought with other ideas. Killing Nazis only bought us time to think of better ideas, spread them, and deradicalize people. Thanks to conservative propaganda networks and social media, we’re on the verge of a fascist takeover. We are in an information race against fascists. The fascists are turning the US into a christofascist dictatorship, by controlling the narrative and driving the news cycle, not by killing anyone. We have to beat them in this race to stop them.
“Race” has no biological definition. Star Wars fans can be a race if you want them to.
Typically when people are saying Jews are a race, they referring to the idea that Jews are not White, as in they cannot be White. Jews can be White, but they can also be Black, Native American or Hispanic. Jews are not in a racial category that excludes them from being part of these groups. That’s what I was referring to when I wrote race.
That’s not really the main point, I was agreeing with the person I responding to and adding some clarification. It seemed to have distracted from the issue at hand.
Killing people isn’t how we stop the spread of fascism in the modern day. We need to spread information, for example, that fascism is a self-destructive ideology that will destroy hundreds of millions of lives and that the Republican Party is controlled by fascists. I think most people know that on lemmy, but there are plenty of people who will check into politics in the months leading up to the election and form their opinions then. A misconception I see on lemmy is that some people assume we can defeat fascism with guns alone. That isn’t going to cut it. We have to reach more people with true information before fascists reach them with misinformation. Once a person forms an opinion they are unlikely to discard that opinion when presented with new information in the short term. That short term can easily last until the election, so these months leading up to the election are crucial. edit: capitalization
Race is a well documented biological fact actually. It’s not subject to political interpretation.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3737365/
By Alan Templeton.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Templeton
Do you think maybe you’re misunderstanding him?
It think it’s debatable about how you define Races, but it’s also quite obvious that biological races exist. There are specific differences in the physical biology that separate the races, and common traits among them that identify them as part of the group. Skin color, hair type, bone structure, genetic predisposition to certain diseases, etc. Physical traits are passed from the parents to the children, and when the parents are of different races we get blending of the characteristics and so on. Some Native Americans even have different kinds of teeth than European-Caucasian descended folks do.
Basically it’s not something you can choose or change, it’s an immutable biological set of characteristics. I don’t know what “race” the Jews in Israel are exactly but I suspect it depends a lot on the region their ancestors are from. Many of them might even be the same “race” as Palestinians.
What’s the race here, African or Melanesian? And if it’s the same race, why are they so separated geographically?
No, and you fundamentally misunderstand biology, genetics, and race.
In essence, per Robert Saplosky, race is a cultural construct, not a genetic or biological one. He has his entire Stanford lecture on human behavior including human genetics on YouTube. He also has several books explaining this. Here’s a link to a summary video: https://youtu.be/YVT5iIXdjek?si=jXKvfd3fUEdQcjMx
Just because you can reactively type people into races, doesn’t make race a real biological phenomenon. There are plenty of races that look like others, plenty of admixture that ruins your theories. Sickle cell anemia can exist in white people (people who appear to look white) who have black ancestry, but you wouldn’t know they have either sickle cell or black ancestry from looking at them. Because race ISNT genetics. There are people within the same family who are different races, one who is lighter and one who is darker, etc. And melanin production is only one small component of the cultural cues we see as someone’s race.
Again, it’s not biological and no real scientist would think that.
From your source:
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You seem to have linked something that argues and shows the opposite of what you intended there, bud.
Did you miss the whole section with the tree of races, showing the genetic differences in them? Maybe you didn’t make it all the way through?
I think you might have just skimmed it. Throughout the paper the authors include examples of “race trees” which they argue have no places in scientific literature because they do not apply to humans.
I have an idea. Why don’t you quote the section that proves your point. If I can’t rebut you by copying and pasting context from the same paper, you win. Deal?
It’s ideology for these people. Lysenkoism all over again. Meanwhile the existence of genetic subgroups, however hazy and overlapping they might be, remains extremely relevant in medicine - which they’d also be quick to point out in different circumstances.
I get their motivation - the idea of there being 3-5 rigid classes of human that should be treated differently is ridiculous and sinister. But are there distinct genetic lineages? Absolutely, you can track human migration that way, it’s very interesting.
A lot of the disagreement seems to come from conflation of the word “race”, which doesn’t really have a firm definition anyway. To some people in the USA it refers to this strict division of humans into absolute categories, but if you’re not predisposed to think that way it’s just shorthand for ethnic or geographical heritage.
Globally, this heritage is something people still consider very important; whether rightly or wrongly is not for me to say. But that definitely lends an irony to the whole discussion. Being simultaneously obsessed with identity categories while claiming they don’t exist is par for the course nowadays, I think, at least in parts of the USA.
Why not pretend breeds of horses don’t exist while you’re at it?
Breeds are used to refer to domestic animals where artificial selection was used to exemplify specific traits.
Are you saying that the traits of different “races” were artificially selected for? Who was doing the selecting?
Your definition of breed is poor and self serving
But please, do tell me the real definition.
(Note that it says there’s no scientific definition of breed either.)
Israeli is not the same thing as Jewish.
Many Jewish people hate Israel.
Yes, I am Jewish, but not Israeli. I assumed most people referring to Israelis as a race are referring to Jews a race. It seems weird to confuse nationality with race in the 21st century.
I don’t hate Israel, because hating Israel is more taxing to me than it is to Israel. I think Israel is an apartheid state that’s committing genocide and war crimes in Gaza, Zionism is a fascist ideology, the current Israeli government is dominated by fascists, and that the concept that we need a Jewish ethnostate in order to be safe is ridiculous. Israel needs to change radically and it needs to change as soon as possible.
I’d be willing to bet you could find one or two Israelies (Israelites?) that hate Israel too.
Israeli is modern inhabitants, Israelites are the ones from the old testament
Got it. Thanks!
I realized when typing I wasn’t sure
I thought one of the best lessons was that you don’t deal with an aggressive and genocidal nation through appeasement.
We should be fighting against Israel, not appeasing them.
that was the lesson from the start. that theres one way to stop fascism and genocide both.
the lesson from the end was: you didn’t kill enough fucking Nazis.
That was also one of the lessons. It’s why we are sending weapons to Ukraine to fight Russia and plan on defending Taiwan against China.
It would be a lot easier to do that if we hadn’t be allied with Israel for over 75 years. It’s not normal for allies to turn on each other like that.
Regardless, there can be more than one lesson from a historical event. Fascism is an idea. It has to be fought with other ideas.
who the fuck mentioned Jews here?
I’m talking about Israelis, cut your equivocating antisemitic bullshit. talk like that gets people killed by idiots who can’t tell the difference, but know genocide is bad and Nazis dying is good.
we didn’t stop Nazism because we didn’t kill enough Nazis, on either side of the ocean. the fuckers who got social media in on it can be traced back to that. if we’d killed more Nazis then, we wouldn’t have these problems now.
If someone refers to Israelis as a race I would assume they are confusing Jews, an ethnic group, culture and religion as a race as opposed to confusing Israelis, a nationality, as a race.
Even if we had killed everyone who was a Nazi, the ideas could be still be spread by people who are not Nazis and then internalized and adopted by a new group of Nazis. Ideas outlive the people came up with them and believed in them. The best that would do is kick the can further down the road, but we still have to deal with this problem eventually.
don’t think I referred to tfem as a race but I could have. I’m not super likely to bother scrolling up for a hezbarite though.
the ideas could have been spread by people who weren’t Nazis, but were I’m this actual extant timeline spread by actual Nazis.
american civil war was the same. every one of those slaver families needed to die. every adult, and possibly the children, if they weren’t adopted out (possibly to the people who should have got the property and would have done the raising if the slavers had won anyway). yes that’s technically genocide, but I’m saying it should have happened to some of my shitty ancestors, and I still think I’m right. that culture of keeping human beings imprisoned as chattel slaves needed to die, and because we left them alive; it didn’t.
I was referring to the poster above you.
My point is that killing all Nazis wouldn’t have prevented Fascism from spreading.
Killing all slave owners wouldn’t have stopped the Lost Cause of the Confederacy myth which is responsible for the confederate sympathizers we have today. The myth is an idea and can be spread by people who don’t own slaves.
so why are you arguing with me?
hard disagree. it would have stopped. maybe somebody would have dug it up later and started it back up, but it would have stopped.
I met them. their grandchildren and great children, at family reunions. they worked hard to craft and propagate these myths. they were proud of it. expected their grandchildren to keep it up.
now, me noping out isn’t so much fix as those first couple generations did damage, abd that’s why I think they should have been killed. every single one.
The Germans during WWII actually were referring to nationality when talking about race, so that one slides believe it or not.
its so much dumber than that. it kind of comes down to mystical bullshit and oh hey, that’s in this one too
but theres this kapo trash tendency to draw equivalency with all Jewish people in the world and smear their crimes onto the innocent
Didn’t know “Aryan” is a nationality.
Solidarity amongst the working class, where ever they may be.
acceptable wars:
class war
stopping genocide
if you fail at either, so many die.
How does refusing asylum to working class Israeli refugees advance the class war or stop genocide?
I’m sorry but being a laborer doesn’t magically make someone my friend.
genocide is genocide, and they all participate. not one joule.
Do they all participate though? A coworker of mine is in Isreal right now caring for her mother, she grew up in Isreal and was staunchly antiwar. She’s once again an Isreali resident - does she deserve to die?
Do the three year olds deserve to die to? Do they deserve to be made orphans?
Please realize that you’re so far gone that you’re advocating for the erasure of a state… your stance is one that Netanyahu would applaud.
its not about deserving to die. its about going literally an inch out of your way to save one while stopping a genocide. which you shouldn’t. saying otherwise is an insult to their victims.
Israeli people deserve to live just as much as Palestinian people do.
no. that isn’t to say they should be killed, but wasting a joule of energy to keep one alive is a waste.
I vehement disagree.
you commit a genocide, you are no longer the priority. your victims come first. everyone else comes first. you are no longer human.
if they want to save you, your victims can do it. but literally every other person on earth gets falgsc before I offer you a grain of rice, or steer my car out of the way to avoid hitting you.
honestly, a policy where food etc aid is only allowed to these genocidal monsters through Palestinians is pretty reasonable. it would be a way to beat some humanity into them, but they must be allowed to die, so the Palestinian people’s goodwill is the only way they survive.
Never in the history of the world has grouping literally everyone of a particular group together has gone poorly, except for all the time. To say every Israel is culpable is factually untrue. Hold the accountable accountable.
only way to stop the genocide.
so who would you rather share a world with?
genocidal warmongering ghouls whose reproductive cycle falters without attocies, who are edging on world war three?
or Palestinians? because I would rather have Palestinians.
if you don’t like this choice, you should have stepped on the bastards 20-50 years ago.
I’d rather share the world with people who don’t want to eradicate others.
so Palestinians. you choose to share the world with Palestinians rather than genocidal monsters who jack off about starting world war three. same, honestly. they seem at worst indifferent.
which means, unless you kill the monsters, there will be no more Palestinians.
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