I understand that it happens, I see it myself. Im specifically asking about where Biden has done this. I didn’t read the article, but I did search it for both Biden and president and neither had a hit. So if that article does actually point out him doing this, could you quote the part?
I could’ve sworn he said the “anti zionism is antisemitism” line, but that might have just been sensationalism from the December house resolution. Apparently it was pretty controversial among democrats so I don’t even know anymore.
He was asked to comment about the Columbia University Palestinian protests happening right now, and he said he condemns antisemitic protests.
That’s pretty clearly insinuating pro-Palestinian protests are antisemitic, but I suppose he’s smart enough (read: politically adept enough) not to say those words verbatim.
I did a brief search and couldn’t find the actual question he was asked. I can see many ways that they could have asked the question, that would have fit the way the article described it. Some could indicate what you are claiming, and some would make it a stretch.
So do you know what he was actually asked? Or is this really just kind of based on an assumption?
It’s a sky news video (so if you’d rather not give them the view that’s fine), but it’s the first result when filtered by ‘in the last week’ (it’s just the first 30 seconds or so): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLtgKhXNwB8
He was asked “Do you condemn the antisemitic protests on college campuses” and answered in the affirmative, then was asked “should the Columbia university president resign” and he said he needs to look into it.
As far as I know, there are no 'Antisemitic protests happening" other than the pro-Palestinian protests happening at Columbia and Vanderbilt. I suppose he could claim ignorance, but seeing as how it’s been in the news since last week i’m not sure how he could not know.
Thanks for the link. It seems like it was a softball no-brainer question. Of course he is going to say he opposes antisemitic protests. Any other answer would have been picked apart.
As far as I know, there are no 'Antisemitic protests happening"
Well, first, I will note that in the article linked by the OP, there are pro-Palestinian protesters distancing themselves from some other protests that have sprung up around it, seemingly due to their antisemitism. Additionally we have both claims and videos of people protesting around Columbia throwing out clearly antisemitic shit, like telling jewish people that “the 7th will be every day for you.”
Second, the POTUS does not know everything all of the time. If he had been more nuanced and said “well those protests weren’t antisemitic” and then someone found someone being antisemitic, it would be a political shitshow. His answer to the question asked is pretty much the only sane one. And, more importantly, it certainly does not indicate that he thinks or is implying that any protest of Israel is antisemitic. I would argue that also bringing up Palestine and their suffering right after that indicates and implies he does not think that at all.
Even giving him the benefit of the doubt as you are, he’s still repeatedly affirmed his zionist beliefs and has been loath to condemn Israel’s actions (even if he’s condemned Bibi directly). If Bibi was voted out tomorrow, the issue of Israeli occupation would not go away, and that is a big part of the protests happening throughout the country now. That he avoids making that clarification is evidence enough that him taking any decisive action against Israel is pretty much a forgone conclusion.
We’re moving the goal posts now. I don’t agree with his support of Israel. I get why it’s happening, I wish it wasn’t, and it is something I strongly oppose him on. However, the claim was that he said any protest of Israel is antisemitic, and it appears that this is untrue.
And this isn’t about “giving him the benefit of the doubt.” He literally answered a softball no-brainer question in the only sane way, and there is no amount of twisting that would make it make sense to assume he knew that they were talking only about 1 specific protest that was not antisemitic.
I’m not shifting the goal posts, i’m applying my knowledge of him and his past positions on Israel in my interpretation of that statement. I acknowledge there’s some ambiguity, but frankly, saying ‘he’s responding in the only sane way’ is a projection of your own position (e.g. not supporting israel) onto him and not grounded in his actions or past comments. Israel itself has come out and accused even those peaceful protests on Columbia’s campus of antisemitism with a very broad brush, and it’s a pretty clear effort to discredit legitimate criticism of their genocide in Palestine. Biden has repeatedly taken on the Israeli stance on geopolitical issues, even when evidence is in stark contrast (thinking specifically of his doubt of Gazan death tolls and fault of the israeli strikes on gaza hospitals). It isn’t a stretch to see this comment as yet another instance of him siding with the Israeli state position instead of acknowledging genuine opposition.
I think it’s generous to say you’re giving him the benefit of the doubt, rather than knowingly running cover for him in order to serve a broader goal of campaigning for his reelection. I think anyone who actually wants Biden to win reelection should be pressuring him to act on Israel, not taking every opportunity to deflect criticism away from him.
Even this explanation is a huge shift because he clearly doesn’t say it (which is what I’ve asked for), but you’re simply inferring it.
saying ‘he’s responding in the only sane way’ is a projection of your own position (e.g. not supporting israel) onto him and not grounded in his actions or past comments.
It’s funny that you can infer things about what he said, despite him not actually saying it, but when I question whether he has ever actually said any protest of Israel is antisemitic, and no one can provide me evidence that he has (basically basing it on past positions, or lack there of in this case), I’m “projecting” to point out that he doesn’t actually say it here either. You’re recognizing the faults of your own argument here, not mine.
I think anyone who actually wants Biden to win reelection should be pressuring him to act on Israel, not taking every opportunity to deflect criticism away from him.
There’s plenty of criticism of Biden to go around, especially when it comes to handling Israel and their invasion into Gaza, which is exact people shouldn’t be spinning every little thing into confirming what they already believe to be true because it just weakens legitimate claims.
I understand that it happens, I see it myself. Im specifically asking about where Biden has done this. I didn’t read the article, but I did search it for both Biden and president and neither had a hit. So if that article does actually point out him doing this, could you quote the part?
I could’ve sworn he said the “anti zionism is antisemitism” line, but that might have just been sensationalism from the December house resolution. Apparently it was pretty controversial among democrats so I don’t even know anymore.
If you understand it happens, and see it yourself, then why the fuck did you just ask for one example as if they wouldn’t be able to?
Did you just stop reading after “I see it myself”? I literally and explicitly described what I was actually asking about in the next sentence.
He was asked to comment about the Columbia University Palestinian protests happening right now, and he said he condemns antisemitic protests.
That’s pretty clearly insinuating pro-Palestinian protests are antisemitic, but I suppose he’s smart enough (read: politically adept enough) not to say those words verbatim.
I did a brief search and couldn’t find the actual question he was asked. I can see many ways that they could have asked the question, that would have fit the way the article described it. Some could indicate what you are claiming, and some would make it a stretch.
So do you know what he was actually asked? Or is this really just kind of based on an assumption?
It’s a sky news video (so if you’d rather not give them the view that’s fine), but it’s the first result when filtered by ‘in the last week’ (it’s just the first 30 seconds or so): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLtgKhXNwB8
He was asked “Do you condemn the antisemitic protests on college campuses” and answered in the affirmative, then was asked “should the Columbia university president resign” and he said he needs to look into it.
As far as I know, there are no 'Antisemitic protests happening" other than the pro-Palestinian protests happening at Columbia and Vanderbilt. I suppose he could claim ignorance, but seeing as how it’s been in the news since last week i’m not sure how he could not know.
Thanks for the link. It seems like it was a softball no-brainer question. Of course he is going to say he opposes antisemitic protests. Any other answer would have been picked apart.
Well, first, I will note that in the article linked by the OP, there are pro-Palestinian protesters distancing themselves from some other protests that have sprung up around it, seemingly due to their antisemitism. Additionally we have both claims and videos of people protesting around Columbia throwing out clearly antisemitic shit, like telling jewish people that “the 7th will be every day for you.”
Second, the POTUS does not know everything all of the time. If he had been more nuanced and said “well those protests weren’t antisemitic” and then someone found someone being antisemitic, it would be a political shitshow. His answer to the question asked is pretty much the only sane one. And, more importantly, it certainly does not indicate that he thinks or is implying that any protest of Israel is antisemitic. I would argue that also bringing up Palestine and their suffering right after that indicates and implies he does not think that at all.
Even giving him the benefit of the doubt as you are, he’s still repeatedly affirmed his zionist beliefs and has been loath to condemn Israel’s actions (even if he’s condemned Bibi directly). If Bibi was voted out tomorrow, the issue of Israeli occupation would not go away, and that is a big part of the protests happening throughout the country now. That he avoids making that clarification is evidence enough that him taking any decisive action against Israel is pretty much a forgone conclusion.
We’re moving the goal posts now. I don’t agree with his support of Israel. I get why it’s happening, I wish it wasn’t, and it is something I strongly oppose him on. However, the claim was that he said any protest of Israel is antisemitic, and it appears that this is untrue.
And this isn’t about “giving him the benefit of the doubt.” He literally answered a softball no-brainer question in the only sane way, and there is no amount of twisting that would make it make sense to assume he knew that they were talking only about 1 specific protest that was not antisemitic.
I’m not shifting the goal posts, i’m applying my knowledge of him and his past positions on Israel in my interpretation of that statement. I acknowledge there’s some ambiguity, but frankly, saying ‘he’s responding in the only sane way’ is a projection of your own position (e.g. not supporting israel) onto him and not grounded in his actions or past comments. Israel itself has come out and accused even those peaceful protests on Columbia’s campus of antisemitism with a very broad brush, and it’s a pretty clear effort to discredit legitimate criticism of their genocide in Palestine. Biden has repeatedly taken on the Israeli stance on geopolitical issues, even when evidence is in stark contrast (thinking specifically of his doubt of Gazan death tolls and fault of the israeli strikes on gaza hospitals). It isn’t a stretch to see this comment as yet another instance of him siding with the Israeli state position instead of acknowledging genuine opposition.
I think it’s generous to say you’re giving him the benefit of the doubt, rather than knowingly running cover for him in order to serve a broader goal of campaigning for his reelection. I think anyone who actually wants Biden to win reelection should be pressuring him to act on Israel, not taking every opportunity to deflect criticism away from him.
Even this explanation is a huge shift because he clearly doesn’t say it (which is what I’ve asked for), but you’re simply inferring it.
It’s funny that you can infer things about what he said, despite him not actually saying it, but when I question whether he has ever actually said any protest of Israel is antisemitic, and no one can provide me evidence that he has (basically basing it on past positions, or lack there of in this case), I’m “projecting” to point out that he doesn’t actually say it here either. You’re recognizing the faults of your own argument here, not mine.
There’s plenty of criticism of Biden to go around, especially when it comes to handling Israel and their invasion into Gaza, which is exact people shouldn’t be spinning every little thing into confirming what they already believe to be true because it just weakens legitimate claims.
Idk. I just think that’s funny.
That tracks.