Yes yes everything critical of the Israeli genocide machine is antisemitism, we’ve heard that one before Joe.
How about you stop funding genocide instead of trying to paint people as racist for resisting.
Except there have been antisemitic incidents, namely verbal harassment. You can condemn antisemitism and condemn Israel. You can also protest Israel without spewing epithets at any Jew you come across.
And god forbid Biden condemn Palestinian hate, right?
Right and the BLM protests were all about causing violence and looting?
I’m sick of this right wing tactic of focusing on some inconsequentially insignificant portion of multiple events, many with zero instances of the priority complaint even occurring and using that to frame the entire movement to discredit it.
“Oh but Biden also wrapped it up with a throw away comment saying he’s totes mcgotes not okay with the happening right now genocide that he is materially supporting”
Advantageous looting follows a lot of civil unrest. Not sure how that’s relevant here.
The fact is that people on campus were being harassed solely based on their background. That’s okay?
It’s not really insignificant when you’re looking at Columbia in particular. Maybe at other schools, but you just said you don’t like people bringing in irrelevant events to the discussion, so I won’t go there.
I see you completely ignored the part where Biden condemned Israel, since it doesn’t fit your narrative. Let me guess, you won’t support the democrats because “both parties are the same”.
He didn’t condemn Israel, he “condemn[s] those who don’t understand what’s going on with the Palestinians”, which is such passive language that it could just as easily be interpreted as ‘condemning people who don’t understand Israel’s response to violent Palestinians’.
He’s walking a tightrope and intentionally being vague so as not to piss-off AIPAC donors.
Condemnation is words, and talk is cheap. I want action.
US sanctions to Israel would instantly stop the Genocide and make Netanyahu’s government fall within a week.
The actions that the Biden’s Administration’s choses to take: send them 2000lb bombs which the US itself almost never uses because of their huge collateral damage and likelihood of killing innocent civilians.
Earlier in Israel’s Genocide that’s exactly the way his spokesperson used the “antisemitism” accusation in a White House press conference so it makes sense to conclude that’s still exactly how Biden and his Adminstration use it.
Edit: I was a bit incorrect. She’s been doing it by saying that using “from the river to the sea” is antisemitic up until the point in a briefing in December when she was confronted with how Netanyahu’s son himself had used that sentence and “does that mean he is an antisemite”, by which point she fumbled and suddenly discovered they were “out of time”.
Also at least until that point (in mid December) the Biden Administration would talk about “antisemitism in demonstrations” because people had chanted “From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free”.
It wasn’t in “a” White House Press Conference, it was in multiple White House Press Conferences and went on at least until mid December and that specific question from a journalist of “so would you say Netanyahu’s son is antisemite”, so already well into the point when Israel had already murdered tens of thousands of Palestinians including over 10 thousand children.
Notice how “from the river to the sea” has no meaning in the Jewish Religion, so it’s entirelly about Israel, so things which were about Israel and not about the Jewish Religion were being deemed “antisemitism” by this Administration.
Yes yes everything critical of the Israeli genocide machine is antisemitism, we’ve heard that one before Joe.
Can you point me to a time, specifically, where he labelled simple criticism of Israel “antisemitism?”
Basically every protest supporting Palestine. It’s not new. Here’s an article from 2021.
I understand that it happens, I see it myself. Im specifically asking about where Biden has done this. I didn’t read the article, but I did search it for both Biden and president and neither had a hit. So if that article does actually point out him doing this, could you quote the part?
I could’ve sworn he said the “anti zionism is antisemitism” line, but that might have just been sensationalism from the December house resolution. Apparently it was pretty controversial among democrats so I don’t even know anymore.
If you understand it happens, and see it yourself, then why the fuck did you just ask for one example as if they wouldn’t be able to?
If you understand it happens, and see it yourself, then why the fuck did you just ask for one example as if they wouldn’t be able to?
Did you just stop reading after “I see it myself”? I literally and explicitly described what I was actually asking about in the next sentence.
He was asked to comment about the Columbia University Palestinian protests happening right now, and he said he condemns antisemitic protests.
That’s pretty clearly insinuating pro-Palestinian protests are antisemitic, but I suppose he’s smart enough (read: politically adept enough) not to say those words verbatim.
I did a brief search and couldn’t find the actual question he was asked. I can see many ways that they could have asked the question, that would have fit the way the article described it. Some could indicate what you are claiming, and some would make it a stretch.
So do you know what he was actually asked? Or is this really just kind of based on an assumption?
It’s a sky news video (so if you’d rather not give them the view that’s fine), but it’s the first result when filtered by ‘in the last week’ (it’s just the first 30 seconds or so): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLtgKhXNwB8
He was asked “Do you condemn the antisemitic protests on college campuses” and answered in the affirmative, then was asked “should the Columbia university president resign” and he said he needs to look into it.
As far as I know, there are no 'Antisemitic protests happening" other than the pro-Palestinian protests happening at Columbia and Vanderbilt. I suppose he could claim ignorance, but seeing as how it’s been in the news since last week i’m not sure how he could not know.
Thanks for the link. It seems like it was a softball no-brainer question. Of course he is going to say he opposes antisemitic protests. Any other answer would have been picked apart.
As far as I know, there are no 'Antisemitic protests happening"
Well, first, I will note that in the article linked by the OP, there are pro-Palestinian protesters distancing themselves from some other protests that have sprung up around it, seemingly due to their antisemitism. Additionally we have both claims and videos of people protesting around Columbia throwing out clearly antisemitic shit, like telling jewish people that “the 7th will be every day for you.”
Second, the POTUS does not know everything all of the time. If he had been more nuanced and said “well those protests weren’t antisemitic” and then someone found someone being antisemitic, it would be a political shitshow. His answer to the question asked is pretty much the only sane one. And, more importantly, it certainly does not indicate that he thinks or is implying that any protest of Israel is antisemitic. I would argue that also bringing up Palestine and their suffering right after that indicates and implies he does not think that at all.
pretty clearly insinuating
Idk. I just think that’s funny.
That tracks.
A couple of months ago his spokesperson did exactly that in a White House press conference though they stopped doing it as that specific propaganda trick started working in reverse.
I can’t be arsed wasting my time Googling it for what sounds suspiciously like a hasbara sockpuppet. Anybody genuinelly interested can find it him/herself.
Anybody genuinelly interested can find it him/herself.
So, basically, because you can’t provide it, you aren’t genuinely interested in it.
Seriously, how am I supposed to know what you are talking about? If it doesn’t exist, I could be searching forever and still not prove it doesn’t exist. If you aren’t willing to back up a claim, don’t make it.
I saw it live, on TV (not even a US channel), on a news segment coverage of a White House press conference.
The effort necessary to dig the video if at all possible or actual written news of it in a language you understand (as that was not in an English-speaking channel) isn’t justfied to answer a random poster on the Internet using a style of demand for “proof” which is very common amongst trolls, astroturfers and sockpuppets, especially because if you are one of such bad faith actors, you would just come up with some other “argument” willfully denying the obvious such as “yeah, but Joe Biden himself didn’t do it”.
Given your totally illogical argument (bad faith or just irrational?!) that me not wanting to dig it out to see it again is the same as me not being interested in it, I’m sure I’ll manage to endure the stress from the risk that you’re actually not a bad faith actor and still do not believe me…
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here Karine implies that Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib made antisemitic remarks by using the phrase “from the river to the sea”, then backtracks but not quite.
and here , a month later Karine is confronted with the son of Netanyahu having himself used “from the river to the sea” and is asked if he is thus antisemite, which apparently he is not and then she suddenly discovers that they’re “out of time”.
So I was off: the White House doesn’t directly call people antisemitic, they just imply they are if they use sentences like “from the river to the see”, but if the person is the son of Netanyahu, then the phrase is not antisemitic after all. In other words, it’s the person not the sentence.
There’s also A LOT of press briefings where she says pro-palestinian protests were antisemitic which as SkyezOpen in this thread has pointed out is based on things like claiming that using “from the river to the sea” (as in: “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”) is antisemitic. Again, this time indirectly, it’s the good old claim that “from the river to the sea” is antisemitic that apparently only applies to some people, not others.
Want to dig for yourself, here’s the Google search:
Karine Jean-Pierre “antisemitic” +site:www.whitehouse.gov
I saw a live TV show not even a US channel that said you made up the story about what you saw on a live TV show not even a US channel ;)
Now that I’m not at work anymore, I’ve dug up and added evidence from White House Briefings.
Now you show me yours ;)
So I was off: the White House doesn’t directly call people antisemitic
Sorry, I can’t find any evidence that I was off about whatever earlier ;)
“How dare you not just believe what some random person on the internet is claiming. You must be a troll” is easily one of the most dumb arguments a person can make.
But to then to go on and make up my response to your alleged evidence, label that response unreasonable, and because “I” made argument, I must be unreasonable because of it. . .well, just that’s just peak hilarity.
You really proved that I’m the unreasonable one arguing in bad faith. lol
using a style of demand for “proof” which is very common amongst trolls, astroturfers and sockpuppets
Nah. It’s trolls, astroturfers, and sock puppets who come in, make extraordinary claims, and say it’s too hard to find so you should go find it yourself.
As in he condemns both antisemitism and he condemns apathy for Palestinians. That makes sense. Antisemitism is bad. Pro-Palestinian is good. I hate that we’re still funding Israel. But I’m glad he’s been openly critical of Netanyahu and has been constantly been pushing for aid to Gaza.
“I’m glad he is a massive hypocrite”
Yep this sums up Biden voters
Nuance certainly is lost on people who don’t study history.
People out here reading Mein Kampf with “nuance”.
You just proved his point.
You read Mein Kampf with nuance? Okay dude.
Wow, you’re an idiot.
Congrats, you’ve just proven Godwin’s Law.
Imagine reducing the entirety of human history down to mein kampf. Shut the fuck up, donkey.
You think the Nazis had something to do with Genocide as well?
Israel commits Genocide like the actual literal Nazis did
WHOA IS THAT GODWINS LAW?
WHOA IS YOUR CAPS LOCK STUCK?
Wouldn’t it be better if we killed more innocents instead of fewer?
- Your alternative.
I’ll take the “hypocrite” who tries influencing people to do better.
Influences people to kill more innocents?
This dude just sent 20 Billion dollars to the Nazis.
Found the DNC staffer
The Israeli lobby and PR machine is going into overdrive over these protests. It must be working. How can we support them?
Republicans and Democrats are united on this too.
What news are you reading? Republicans want more funding for Israeli defense. They tried to draft legislation for Israel aid independent of Ukraine and Taiwan. You’re joking, right?
Edit: And Trump has encouraged the eradication of the Palestinians as long as Israel “doesn’t record it”
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html
they both seem to be pro israel, regardless of funding strategies
That’s true. Historically, America has always been in support of Israel. Democrats support Israel, and Republicans support Israel and push for an active war with Iran.
And what does the Democratic party want?
Both sides support Israel, but they’re far from united. Republicans have been pushing Israel to take the fight directly to Iran since the proxy conflict started in ‘85. Believe it or not, this is a more moderate version of support than the republicans would have if they were in control.
The democrats are smart enough to know that it’s not a good look to be rooting for more violence, but they are still materially interested in supporting Israel’s domination in the region.
It’s only meaningfully different if all you care about is aesthetics.
Aesthetics? Trump encouraged the eradication of Palestinians, and criticized Israel for recording proof of their crimes. You’re playing with fire even considering a more moderate response from a republican.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html
I’m aware of Trumps remarks, thank you.
Eradication of Palestinians is happening regardless of Biden’s ‘stern’ words. The only material difference between Biden and Trump is their public remarks on the matter, either way Israel conducts themselves the way they want without meaningful repercussions.
That’s the definition of aesthetic.
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If you think Trump would do anything other than encourage the eradication of the Palestinian people, you haven’t been listening.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html
Biden can’t afford to loose support from those who support Palestinian liberation, Trump can.
He’s ensuring his own defeat by burning that bridge.
If democrats are ignorant enough to vote for Trump expecting support of the Palestinians, they’ll be calling for their eradication, and inviting war with Iran. Passion doesn’t justify ignorance.
Nobody is saying they’re going to vote for trump, but lower turnout hurts his chances. He’s dumping ice on voter enthusiasm, if you think that doesn’t impact his reelection chances you’re out of your mind.
You’re assuming those ppl aren’t going to hold their nose and vote for Biden.
There are only two choices here and unless you’re voting for Biden it’s supporting trump.
You’re assuming those ppl aren’t going to hold their nose and vote for Biden.
You’re assuming those non-voters would somehow be more enthusiastic this cycle than in 2020. And now he’s risking the loss of progressive voters who take foreign policy seriously that begrudgingly voted for him in 2020 but didn’t have the foresight that he’d support a Palestinian genocide that they now have in hindsight.
I’m not in support of America’s blind support of Israel either. The point is, there’s far more at stake in this election than that conflict, and Trump would make things worse for the Palestinians. Abstaining or voting third-party is voting for Trump. It’s not a way to protest support of Israel, and will hurt America, and Ukraine, far more.
Are the undecided voters in the room with us right now?
You’re arguing with me as if i’m the deciding vote, but there are 81 million eligible voters that didn’t vote in 2020 and a large portion of those who did vote who are going to be less likely to vote for him for his bungling of this issue alone.
He’s in a tight race and can’t afford to be losing those voters. He’s doing this to himself.
IfWhen
So he’s saying there’s very fine people on both sides?
Sounds more like he’s saying there’s assholes on both sides.
Are the antisemitic protests in the room with us Joe? Can you point to one of them for us?
Just more finger pointing without substance to try to discredit protests. Yesterday’s CNN article specifically about antisemitism at Columbia protests didn’t provide any more specifics than one Jewish student saying how scared he was because someone confronted him. Doesn’t say about what or offer any specifics of the confrontation, just that he was scared.
Blanket accusations of antisemitism continue to undermine efforts to call out legitimate antisemitism, which is still a problem.
What a complete asshat
Another day passes, and amid further deflections from world leaders the genocide continues onward.
This weekend, Israel bombings in Rafah killed 22 people. 18 of them were children. How many more Palestinian children will be bombed to death before the next weekend?
Recognizing genocide as deplorable isn’t antisemitism - it’s morality.
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