The Allies didn’t fight WW2 to save the Jewish people.
Only half of the Holocaust victims were because they were Jewish, WW2 was about Germany invading everyone.
So after the war, the reason for creating Israel wasn’t some kind of reparation, it was because even the Allies were incredibly bigoted and still didn’t want Jewish populations in their countries. So England picked some occupied land they controlled in the Middle East, kicked out the inhabitants and “gave” it to a religion. Which has literally never resulted in peace in all of human history.
They 100% knew this would create more problems. But it ensured those problems would happen far away from Europe.
If you want to understand why Europe didn’t like Jewish populations, it’s because for centuries Christianity didn’t allow charging another Christian interest.
Rich Christians stopped loaning money since they couldn’t make money from it. And Jewish citizens filled that role. Even after Christianity got rid of that rule, Jewish lenders were already established.
The hatred people had with Jewish citizens, was really just hatred of capitalism. It’s just the only time they interacted with Jewish people was taking out loans and other financial stuff.
It’s just most people only know the incredibly simplified fairy tale version they learned in history class decades ago.
If you want to understand why Europe didn’t like Jewish populations, it’s because for centuries Christianity didn’t allow charging another Christian interest.
The lords would borrow money from Jewish lenders to pay for wars since Christians couldn’t loan with interest, and when the lenders wanted repayment the lords would declare a pogrom.
Graeber’s “Debt: The First 5,000 Years” goes into this in a bit of detail about 2/3 of the way through.
The lords would borrow money from Jewish lenders to pay for wars since Christians wouldn’t loan without interest,
Literally the opposite…
The taking of interest was forbidden to clerics from AD 314. It was strictly forbidden for laymen in 1179. The beginning of the end as far as the total ban on interest was concerned came in the sixteenth century.
Actually the creation of israel began much earlier that after WW2.
England announced it’s Support for a jewish state in 1917, with the Balfour Declaration (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration). I think it was to gain the support of their jewish population in the war.
Later in they were not so eager to create a jewish state anymore, because tensions in the region were already high. But they lost their colonial mandate for palestine in 1948 and the US began to support the idea of a jewish state a little before this.
The Zionist movement is older than world war 2. It has always been a product of European colonialism as well as racism.
I can’t speak to the rights of subjects under the Ottoman empire, and indeed the residents in the area were shipped off to trenches in WW1, but Jews and Muslims and Christians all lived in the area before the Zion movement.
Because it was…
The Allies didn’t fight WW2 to save the Jewish people.
Only half of the Holocaust victims were because they were Jewish, WW2 was about Germany invading everyone.
So after the war, the reason for creating Israel wasn’t some kind of reparation, it was because even the Allies were incredibly bigoted and still didn’t want Jewish populations in their countries. So England picked some occupied land they controlled in the Middle East, kicked out the inhabitants and “gave” it to a religion. Which has literally never resulted in peace in all of human history.
They 100% knew this would create more problems. But it ensured those problems would happen far away from Europe.
If you want to understand why Europe didn’t like Jewish populations, it’s because for centuries Christianity didn’t allow charging another Christian interest.
Rich Christians stopped loaning money since they couldn’t make money from it. And Jewish citizens filled that role. Even after Christianity got rid of that rule, Jewish lenders were already established.
The hatred people had with Jewish citizens, was really just hatred of capitalism. It’s just the only time they interacted with Jewish people was taking out loans and other financial stuff.
It’s just most people only know the incredibly simplified fairy tale version they learned in history class decades ago.
The lords would borrow money from Jewish lenders to pay for wars since Christians couldn’t loan with interest, and when the lenders wanted repayment the lords would declare a pogrom.
Graeber’s “Debt: The First 5,000 Years” goes into this in a bit of detail about 2/3 of the way through.
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Literally the opposite…
https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-1030,00.html
That’s what I said, the Christians wouldn’t loan because they couldn’t charge interest.
You used a double negative dawg…
What you said was:
That might not be what you meant to type, but that’s what was typed.
Or you could have said:
My bad. Thanks for the correction.
No worries
While that statement could be interpreted either way, I thought the context made it pretty clear what they meant
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Actually the creation of israel began much earlier that after WW2. England announced it’s Support for a jewish state in 1917, with the Balfour Declaration (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration). I think it was to gain the support of their jewish population in the war.
Later in they were not so eager to create a jewish state anymore, because tensions in the region were already high. But they lost their colonial mandate for palestine in 1948 and the US began to support the idea of a jewish state a little before this.
The Zionist movement is older than world war 2. It has always been a product of European colonialism as well as racism.
I can’t speak to the rights of subjects under the Ottoman empire, and indeed the residents in the area were shipped off to trenches in WW1, but Jews and Muslims and Christians all lived in the area before the Zion movement.
Yes…
Before England made a religious ethnostate, people of all religions coexisted in the land that is now called Israel.
Separating people based on race/religion/sexuality/whatever just makes violence between the groups more likely.
It would be like an American Senator trying to prevent school busing in the 1960s…
Integration is how we solve bigotry, not “separate but equal”.