• gregorum
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    7 months ago

    And what have you done, Joe?

    Not much.

    In many ways, it’s as bad for lgbtq+ people as it was in the 90s, especially trans kids. Suicide rates are sky high for these folks, and the bigotry is everywhere. It’s disgusting.

    And you’re silent.

    • @GoddessNoAi
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      447 months ago

      Things are bad right now, really bad, but they’re not as bad as they were in the 90s. Not even close.

      That’s just how bad the 90s were.

    • @[email protected]
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      417 months ago

      In many ways, it’s as bad for lgbtq+ people as it was in the 90s,

      NOT EVEN FUCKING CLOSE. Absolutely stupid take.

      • gregorum
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        27 months ago

        Tantrums and insults do not a cogent argument make.

          • @[email protected]
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            47 months ago

            I don’t know how many of their comments are still visible, but hoo boy. Tantrum is a mild way to put it. They’re utterly unhinged.

          • gregorum
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            37 months ago

            Change your diaper. I can smell it from here.

              • gregorum
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                7 months ago

                Then you shouldn’t project so much.

                Or stop the childish name-calling just because someone presents facts that give you the BiG mAd.

                President Biden has been absolute garbage towards the LGBTQ community during his term. That’s a fact.

                • @[email protected]
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                  157 months ago

                  You’ve confused me with the other guy that was winning your arguments. I haven’t called you a name.

                  • gregorum
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                    7 months ago

                    More conservative projection.

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                    Oh, look, you’re also a liar

    • Midnight Wolf
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      357 months ago

      (this reads like a rant but it’s a message of remembrance and reflection)

      Rose-colored glasses? I remember my realization in the 90s and being in the closet for the entire 00s. Me and other queer peers were terrified of our own family, openly being mocked in school by students and faculty, I have friends that have attempted suicide more times than I have fingers per person. You should not know the ER staff on a first-name basis. Friends who didn’t reveal they were trans until they were in their 30s and separated from anyone but their closest, most trusted friends. Friends who still, after years of therapy, are still suffering from depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts. And this spreads wide with the people I grew up with. It’d actually genuinely be difficult to think of someone in my extended social circle that didn’t have the view that school was literal hell because of the constant belittling, insulting, second-class treatment from everyone from the students to the principal (I can think of literally just one individual). We had at least one person I know of who viewed the Columbine shooters as someone they looked up to, because of how badly they were treated at a place where you are supposed to be safe.

      It’s not all rainbows and unicorns now, but it’s a stark contrast to what it was 20+ years ago. Children shouldn’t have to wonder if they are going to be stabbed or shot or beaten by so-called ‘adults’ and ‘caregivers’ for who they like. They shouldn’t be scared of being put out on the fucking street for taking their partner to prom. They shouldn’t have to create a second life of lies and then mirror that data around so if anyone questions anyone in the friend circle, the stories match up.

      A child/teenager should be happy and joyous, not like a fucking prison sentence. 20 years ago, it was. I lived that hell, many of us did. Abuse everywhere you turned, even if you were still in the closet (to everyone but us). People were absolute terrible bastards, but the victims are changing that, because we are the people those fucks who call themselves adults should have been. Everyone I’ve spoken about is in a better place now - scarred physically, suffering from mental trauma, often still questioning why they don’t make today their last, every single day. But we are still here, we have always supported each other, and we want this hellhole to never be experienced by others ever again. A tall order, but we are trying.

      I’m sure there’s thousands, shit, millions of others just like us. We are the shy, timid ones, boiling in our memories of bullshit, our permanent rage. Suffering one last time in the hopes that others don’t have to. Out in the world, some of us just want peace and quiet, to be left alone and forgotten, as their defense. Some carry weapons, due to their location and popular opinion against them. Some relocated to more accepting parts of the world, many right out of high school. But we all want all of us to live safer, happier, better lives. Together, we make progress, bit by bit.

      My siblings and their friends, I hear them talk about things now and then. A few years makes a huge difference in tolerance - two decades might as well be completely different planets.

      Just don’t pretend or romanticize years past, is all I’m saying. Progress is forward, not backward.

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        I’m not the one pretending here. No progress has been made during this administration.

        • @[email protected]
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          277 months ago

          My brother in christ it takes literally one Google search to see how utter bullshit this take is.

          https://www.hrc.org/resources/president-bidens-pro-lgbtq-timeline

          One that struck me is how Biden handled monkeypox. Under Trump, monkeypox would have been a “gay disease” that would have not been taken seriously at all. The Biden administration took it seriously and now I’ve completely forgotten it was a thing.

          Go take your lunch break Dimitri.

          • gregorum
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            57 months ago

            Christ is a myth, and if you think a single example in 4 years is anything impressive, it just proves how thirsty you are.

          • @[email protected]
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            his pro gay “history” only goes back 2.5 years. lol

            while his any-gay history goes back 40+ years

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              It’s a good thing he’s not going to be running for president 40 years ago, isn’t it? Unless you’re willing to make a blanket generalization that no one can change, maybe back way from the microphone.

            • @[email protected]
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              Aww man, wish I caught that. Why didn’t the Biden administration help the LGBT community 40 years ago!? He really wasn’t a great president in 1984. /S

              Look, his recent record shows the kind of administration he’s running, and what we could expect in the next 4 years. You may remember he (and Obama) said he believed marriage was between a man and a woman during the 2008 debates. Then, you may remember under the same administration, Gay marriage was federally legalized. It’s not like he’s going to go back to his pre-2008 stance in November.

              • @[email protected]
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                Aww man, wish I caught that. Why didn’t the Biden administration help the LGBT community 40 years ago!? He really wasn’t a great president in 1984. /S

                there were plenty of pro-gay politicians in 1984 and biden’s track record of actively making it worse is a 30 second google search away.

                … You may remember he (and Obama) said he believed marriage was between a man and a woman during the 2008 debates. Then, you may remember under the same administration, Gay marriage was federally legalized…

                gay marriage was made legal through the courts so it became legalized in spite of that administration; not because of it.

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                  107 months ago

                  in spite of that administration

                  Wtf are you talking about? Do you not remember DOMA being repealed which was crucial for gay marriage to pass? Here is a quick list for you to use as evidence that the Obama administration was hostile to LGBTQ people.

                  https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/06/09/fact-sheet-obama-administrations-record-and-lgbt-community

                  plenty of pro-gay politicians in 1984

                  Wtactualf are you talking about? Yes there were a handful, but being gay was ESPECIALLY a political death sentence then. Saying this just erases the fraught past we’ve had, and doesn’t recognize the INSANE amount of progress we’ve made.

                  Also if you read my comment you’d recognize that argument is moot, as his current administration is what is important.

                  You gotta go and audit your history YouTube channels. You’re getting some wacked info.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    37 months ago

                    the obergefell v. hodges supreme court case made doma invalid. you’re thinking of the respect for marriage act which not only had no impact but allowed for people to legally protected if they rejected gay marriage.

                    hollywood and political agitators made that progress happen; while those people you’re supporting remained neutral at best and voted against it at the worst.

        • @[email protected]
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          157 months ago

          The problem with getting all your news from social media is that when you surround yourself with people who only share the one kind of news, you don’t get all of the other news that is very important.

          As other people are saying to you, all you have to do is look for it and you will find a list of the pro-lgbt actions this administration has done.

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            The problem with getting all your news from social media is that when you surround yourself with people who only share the one kind of news, you don’t get all of the other news that is very important.

            As other people are saying to you, all you have to do is look for it and you will find a list of the pro-lgbt actions this administration has done.

            likewise, all you have to do is look for it and you’ll find a much longer list of biden’s anti-lgbt actions.

        • @[email protected]
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          77 months ago

          Weren’t you just criticizing someone for invalidating your experiences? That’s exactly what you’re doing right now to the person above.

          If they say shit is much better for them and their loved ones right now, don’t say they’re just pretending that’s the case. If you want to be respected for saying things are personally no better for you, don’t tell someone else they’re just pretending if they say things are better for them now.

          Otherwise you just come off as an incredibly disingenuous asshole.

            • @[email protected]
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              You should take your own advice instead of screeching at everyone. I must admit though, you’re quite right, my head does hurt from reading your awful mental gymnastics.

              Don’t you think your constant rage at everyone is a sign here that you’re doing something hypocritical and wrong?

              I’m guessing probably not, but people have come to epiphanies of self growth from even less likely situations.

                • @[email protected]
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                  If you cannot exercise enough self-control to keep your mouth shut, I am not responsible for that.

                  You’re the one who’s posted two replies within a few minutes lmao

                  Regardless though, I thank you for your response. It isn’t often that someone proves of their own accord that they’re completely unhinged.

                  Feel free to keep responding though. You’re just proving the point further and further, and I doubt that’s going to end. Go ahead, keep projecting. I’m enjoying the free entertainment.

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        i was there too, like you and you’re forgetting that biden actively actively made the situation back in the 90’s and 00’s worse by voting against gay marriage; against gays in the military; and advocating against gays in federal service.

        things got better in spite of biden et al. efforts; not because of them.

    • @[email protected]
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      247 months ago

      My man, did you live in the 90’s? Cause it kinda sounds like you don’t know what you’re talking about

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        I did. Don’t tell me what I did and didn’t see or live through.

        How arrogant and presumptuous of you to think you could presume my entire life experience from a few internet comments.

        Oh, and making personal attacks to further your position just highlights how weak your argument is.

        • @[email protected]
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          117 months ago

          Oof I pressed a nerve, okay, let me rephrase. What you said doesn’t make sense because to anyone with half a brain at the time, being gay in the 90s was fucking awful. And that’s not a personal attack, a personal attack would be you sound like either a troll or delusional, and in either case you clearly have a poor grasp on your emotions judging from how defensive you got.

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              117 months ago

              I think you’re projecting, i came in with a mildly pointed response saying my opinion differed, you immediately became hostile, and judging from the rest of this thread it’s probably due to how much you’ve been arguing with people here about this. Honestly I think you should take a break from this thread, sleep on it, and come back tomorrow

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          Would you be willing to tell us about it? Why is life so much worse now than the period of stuff like the AIDS crisis, Section 28 and Romer v Evans… Before the widespread recognition and legalization of same sex marriage and the lowered barriers for trans people to change their identification documents that resulted.

          I think you have people legitimately confused for your reasons because a lot of that history is painted as essentially a war and mass genocide by inaction primarily of lesbian, gay and bisexual people. While I know of a few of my trans elders have said that there was less individual heat on trans identities as there are now, it still doesn’t seem like on the whole it was a great time. People were still murdered for being trans and a lot of the fight for non-binary trans people were struggling with much deeper form of erasure.

          I think people are concerned that what you are putting forward is your personal experience which may be narrower than the full encompassing experience of the entire LGBTQIA which it is assumed the question is being asked about. The birds eye veiw, of all the identities and the culture of the movement from that full ten year span. It’s generally assumed by younger people that most things are better now because at least we aren’t dropping like flies so it’s natural that the reaction to your opinion is disbelief.

          *Edit, Removed an example event that was in the eighties.

        • @[email protected]
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          157 months ago

          I’ll second this question. I’ve seen a bunch of “hasn’t done enough” but it hasn’t been followed up with what that is. OP could you please share the solutions Biden has at his disposal that aren’t being executed?

          I ask this as someone who is ignorant of those, not trying to argue.

          • @[email protected]
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            107 months ago

            Crickets lol

            The few times these fuckers bother to answer it’s always some vague “pressure the legislature” or “make a speech” or some other shit he’s already doing.

            • @[email protected]
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              “If he just says mean words about them they’ll come around! So will Republicans! He just needs to loudly criticize him!”

              “But he’s done that”

              “HE’S NOT SAYING THE RIGHT MAGIC WORDS”

              It’s quite interesting how it always comes down to this argument, that Biden just needs to be mean to Manchin and Sinema and then they’ll do everything that Biden says. Some extend the same logic to Republicans, which is just hilariously laughable.

          • @[email protected]OP
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            Sorry I was out late last night got the start of Pride month.

            Employment protections, housing protections, parental protections for adoption, enhance the hate crime bills, mental health access. Those are a start. Also needs universal healthcare, guaranteed housing, and other basic human rights.

        • @[email protected]
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          Biden could have put massive pressure on his party to pass the Equality Act to safeguard the rights of people of any sexuality or gender. He could have done so fiercely and publicly, and campaigned in the home states of those like Manchin and Sinema to threaten their seats if they did not comply.

          Dems, who just love their identity politics, could have been actual allies during the first 2 years of Biden’s presidency while they held the supermajority and passed this, but chose not to. Are you really surprised? For the second time in as many decades, they also chose not to codify Roe v Wade, and this time it cost us women’s bodily autonomy.

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            Biden could have put massive pressure on his party to pass the Equality Act to safeguard the rights of people of any sexuality or gender. He could have done so fiercely and publicly, and campaigned in the home states of those like Manchin and Sinema to threaten their seats if they did not comply.

            Somehow I don’t think “be mean to them!” would’ve made them suddenly fall in line. I find so often that arguments get distilled down to this, that Biden just needs to say the right words and then everyone will agree with him.

            That’s not how it works. If it was, Sanders would be president with a House and Senate that were 100% progressive. The uncomfortable fact is that there is no malicious self sabotage here – it just wasn’t possible.

            Regarding Roe, there have never been 60 Democrat senators in favor of codifying Roe, or 50 Democrat senators willing to overturn the filibuster to codify it. Progressive senators needed to be elected, and weren’t. If everyone who wanted abortion to be an unalienable right went out and voted for a progressive senator in 2016, 2020, or 2022, it could’ve easily been passed. But people didn’t bother.

            Perhaps those Senate candidates should’ve fiercely campaigned and denigrated pro abortion voters who refused to come out and vote? After all, you claim it’s a magic cure all strategy to get people to do what you want.

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              I honestly could not disagree with your assessment more.

              There’s literally a term for this “being mean to them” - it’s called using the bully pulpit, and in our finest moments of federal progressive activism it has proven incredibly effective. Read into how FDR managed to deal with the obstructionist Dixiecrats to learn more about this tactic.

              Quite conversely, Senator Sanders is widely regarded as too nice. He wasn’t willing to fully commit to attacking establishment democrats for their corrupt ways, and many consider this to be the real reason he didn’t capture the nomination.

              Speaking of establishment corruption - Dems had the 60 seats during Obama’s first term and chose not to pursue Roe codification. They had months to do so before Kennedy died, and I assure you that legislation has been drafted and ready to go for decades. They just needed to vote on it, but chose not to in order to continue fear mongering and fund raising over abortion rights. More recently during Biden’s first term, they could have abolished the filibuster to pass it once the Supreme Court’s motivations became clear via the leaked memo, but again chose to do nothing. That’s the establishment DNC for you.

              Lastly, bullying voters is a losing strategy Dems have employed since at least 2016.it didn’t work then, and it isn’t working now. Consider demanding leadership with conviction instead.

    • @[email protected]
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      Over 300 anti LGBTQ laws passed by republicans and Dems haven’t done shit to counter them. Hollow, meaningless rhetoric doesn’t save lives.

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      less than not much; he literally voted against gay marriage; gays in the military; and publicly supported banning gays from federal service.

      then again he did sit and do nothing for decades to opportunistically switch sides to cash in on votes after we & hollywood worked our entire lives to change american hearts and minds on gay people.