I agree with your post, except for the part where he needs to “open up a dialog” about it. There is a dialog going on about it, it’s just out of public view. As far as the public is concerned, all the major power brokers in the Democratic Party are 100% behind Biden, unless something changes, then they’ll be 100% behind the next one. But privately, there are a lot of really consequential conversations going on.
Yes, it sucks that we didn’t have an actual primary to sort this out. But here’s my current conspiracy theory: the same puppeteers who orchestrated Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020 really want Harris in 2024. But they were throw for a loop when Biden decided to stay in the race. You can’t very well have the sitting VP run against the sitting President in a primary, can you? So, they were reduced to waiting until after the primary for to convince Biden to back out. It’s a wild one, but not the wildest plot the writers for this season have come up with.
I continue to believe that if Biden resigns, and hands Harris the keys to the country, she will trounce Trump. I am so looking forward to her debating Trump.
It also has come out that Trump is delaying his VP announcement, because he doesn’t want this focus on Biden’s weaknesses to leave the news cycle. But I think it’s really because he will make a different choice if that VP nominee debates Harris than if that person debates someone else.
They just knew if a primary happened, a progressive would have wiped the floor with Biden, but moderates would just pull votes from Biden.
They still could have ignored the primary results, but it would piss off most voters.
So we get this shit show where are only option is Biden or likely another moderate that Biden’s people at the DNC pick, and who will keep Biden’s people running the DNC.
They never say who they’d like to see, at least not that I’ve ever seen. This user posts a lot though.
This presents a problem though, progressives are making the call for Biden to step aside. Cool, that’s their view. But if he did, the DNC picks the candidate without primary input. Anyone remember the last time a block of Democratic voters saw the primary process as the DNC picking a candidate against the wishes of the voters? How did 2016 go? Whether you subscribe to the “Bernie won” talking points or not, it does raise the question. Would the DNC pick satisfy the voters calling for Biden to drop or would they pick a moderate Democrat (the majority of the Democratic base) and further upset progressives?
No, there simply aren’t as many progressives who can win a general election as you think there are. The list has precisely one name on it, and he isn’t even a Democrat.
Moderate Democrats are like vegetables, nobody really likes them, but you need them to be healthy. Momala is going to tell the country to eat its peas, no matter how much we don’t like them.
You missed the second part of my analogy, try not eating vegetables and see what happens. You end up full of shit (literally). Ignoring the centrist voices in the country because they’re not progressive enough ends up with the same results, the country gets all stopped up and unproductive. We need to work together on this.
You missed the second part of my analogy, try not eating vegetables and see what happens
Because it’s flawed…
Moderate policy is worse for people than progressive policy. For your analogy to fit, it would have to be that eating one serving of vegetables a month is better than recommended servings every fucking day.
Ignoring the centrist voices in the country because they’re not progressive enough ends up with the same results, the country gets all stopped up and unproductive.
No it doesn’t, it ends up with 08-2016…
Do you think we made less progress in those years than when the party insisted on pivoting back to unpopular moderates?
Like, you really compare 08-16 to 16-24, and you’re saying moderate candidates are the solution?
What I’m saying is that Hillary had a lot of problems, but not being progressive enough is not one of them. Likewise, Joe Biden’s problem is that he mislead us all about how fit he really is for the job, not that he’s too moderate. If Biden showed up for the debate last week, we wouldn’t be in this national conversation.
Candidates need to be pragmatic to win national elections. Bernie had the right touch of knowing when to push the progressive narrative and when to lay off it, so he didn’t piss off the Muggles. A lot of the other Progressive darlings don’t, so they’ll never get enough votes in enough states to matter without some people harassing them for going too far to the right .
I think it’s essential that Trump is defeated, which is why I think it’s critical that we don’t let a progressive candidate anywhere near this election, because they are not as broadly popular as you think they are.
Nice one, but these conversations are actually going on. We can see evidence of it in Biden’s hasty effort to schedule an interview this weekend. There’s no way he does that if his party didn’t express their doubts privately.
Irs mainly only people who watched the debate live who are in a panic. But most of these donors and key Democratic politicians watched it live, and they are shitting their pants worse than Donald Trump does every day.
I agree with your post, except for the part where he needs to “open up a dialog” about it. There is a dialog going on about it, it’s just out of public view. As far as the public is concerned, all the major power brokers in the Democratic Party are 100% behind Biden, unless something changes, then they’ll be 100% behind the next one. But privately, there are a lot of really consequential conversations going on.
Yes, it sucks that we didn’t have an actual primary to sort this out. But here’s my current conspiracy theory: the same puppeteers who orchestrated Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020 really want Harris in 2024. But they were throw for a loop when Biden decided to stay in the race. You can’t very well have the sitting VP run against the sitting President in a primary, can you? So, they were reduced to waiting until after the primary for to convince Biden to back out. It’s a wild one, but not the wildest plot the writers for this season have come up with.
I continue to believe that if Biden resigns, and hands Harris the keys to the country, she will trounce Trump. I am so looking forward to her debating Trump.
It also has come out that Trump is delaying his VP announcement, because he doesn’t want this focus on Biden’s weaknesses to leave the news cycle. But I think it’s really because he will make a different choice if that VP nominee debates Harris than if that person debates someone else.
I don’t think it was explicitly for Harris…
They just knew if a primary happened, a progressive would have wiped the floor with Biden, but moderates would just pull votes from Biden.
They still could have ignored the primary results, but it would piss off most voters.
So we get this shit show where are only option is Biden or likely another moderate that Biden’s people at the DNC pick, and who will keep Biden’s people running the DNC.
Givesomefucks, which progressive candidate would you suggest take Biden’s place?
They never say who they’d like to see, at least not that I’ve ever seen. This user posts a lot though.
This presents a problem though, progressives are making the call for Biden to step aside. Cool, that’s their view. But if he did, the DNC picks the candidate without primary input. Anyone remember the last time a block of Democratic voters saw the primary process as the DNC picking a candidate against the wishes of the voters? How did 2016 go? Whether you subscribe to the “Bernie won” talking points or not, it does raise the question. Would the DNC pick satisfy the voters calling for Biden to drop or would they pick a moderate Democrat (the majority of the Democratic base) and further upset progressives?
Tim Walz
Don’t know if Tim would make himself available, but Tim Walz is the kind of executive I want and support.
No, there simply aren’t as many progressives who can win a general election as you think there are. The list has precisely one name on it, and he isn’t even a Democrat.
Moderate Democrats are like vegetables, nobody really likes them, but you need them to be healthy. Momala is going to tell the country to eat its peas, no matter how much we don’t like them.
Oh yeah…
Because Obama in 08 didn’t flip a shit ton of red states that Hillary and Biden won’t even fight for…
You…
You don’t think being likable is important for a political candidate?
That’s uh, that’s a hot take bud.
I only hear it from moderates for some reasons, but at least y’all are finally admitting no one really likes your policies now.
A little progress is till progress.
You missed the second part of my analogy, try not eating vegetables and see what happens. You end up full of shit (literally). Ignoring the centrist voices in the country because they’re not progressive enough ends up with the same results, the country gets all stopped up and unproductive. We need to work together on this.
Because it’s flawed…
Moderate policy is worse for people than progressive policy. For your analogy to fit, it would have to be that eating one serving of vegetables a month is better than recommended servings every fucking day.
No it doesn’t, it ends up with 08-2016…
Do you think we made less progress in those years than when the party insisted on pivoting back to unpopular moderates?
Like, you really compare 08-16 to 16-24, and you’re saying moderate candidates are the solution?
What I’m saying is that Hillary had a lot of problems, but not being progressive enough is not one of them. Likewise, Joe Biden’s problem is that he mislead us all about how fit he really is for the job, not that he’s too moderate. If Biden showed up for the debate last week, we wouldn’t be in this national conversation.
Candidates need to be pragmatic to win national elections. Bernie had the right touch of knowing when to push the progressive narrative and when to lay off it, so he didn’t piss off the Muggles. A lot of the other Progressive darlings don’t, so they’ll never get enough votes in enough states to matter without some people harassing them for going too far to the right .
If you want to sum it up, I suggest his 37% approval rating.
Lots of factors are playing into that, and the last time we ran a Dem incumbent with that bad of numbers was Jimmy Carter…
How much have you heard about that election?
Why are you willing to risk trump for such an unpopular candidate that Dem voters don’t even want?
I think it’s essential that Trump is defeated, which is why I think it’s critical that we don’t let a progressive candidate anywhere near this election, because they are not as broadly popular as you think they are.
In a panel consisting entirely of Canadian Girlfriends Who Go To Another School and Dads That Work For Nintendo.
Nice one, but these conversations are actually going on. We can see evidence of it in Biden’s hasty effort to schedule an interview this weekend. There’s no way he does that if his party didn’t express their doubts privately.
Irs mainly only people who watched the debate live who are in a panic. But most of these donors and key Democratic politicians watched it live, and they are shitting their pants worse than Donald Trump does every day.