• enkers
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      1064 months ago

      We might know more of the truth if Israel didn’t systematically target journalists.

        • @[email protected]
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          314 months ago

          The numbers supplied by Hamas have been pretty accurate in the past, according to multiple UN investigations. There’s simply no reason for them to exaggerate the numbers, since they are already atrocious enough.

          BTW: back in December, the IDF itself released reports saying that about two thirds of the dead are civilians/not Hamas.

          You can spin it like you want, what Israel is doing over there is not okay. Simple as that.

                • @[email protected]
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                  204 months ago

                  Nope.

                  You first doubted Hamas, when I mentioned, that the UN agreed generally, you say, the UN is also not a good source, without any proof of that.

                  The fact about the IDF was completely dropped by you, because it doesn’t fit your bill.

                  BTW: do you have any Israeli sources? If Israel would doubt Hamas’ numbers, they might issue their own reports. But they don’t. Well that’s weird, isn’t it? But the IDF probably is also just an anti Israel agent.

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          By June 19, 2024, 37,396 people had been killed in the Gaza Strip since the attack by Hamas and the Israeli invasion in October, 2023, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, as reported by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. The Ministry’s figures have been contested by the Israeli authorities, although they have been accepted as accurate by Israeli intelligence services, the UN, and WHO. These data are supported by independent analyses, comparing changes in the number of deaths of UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) staff with those reported by the Ministry, which found claims of data fabrication implausible.

        • @GoddessNoAi
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          114 months ago

          What’s funny is that i interpreted the changes shown in the meme as making it softer on Israel. First edit removes the reference to the school, second edit changes the number of people killed from a big number “over 100” to a fuzzy amount “scores” that is easier to underestimate.

          It’s since added that information back in, but in the meme it looks like it’s trying to make Israel look as not-bad as possible.

    • @[email protected]
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      254 months ago

      Because we hate Israel? No. Because it’s precisely the kind of thing Israel does all the time? Yeah, pretty much. If Hamas tells your fire is hot, are you not gonna believe them?

        • @[email protected]
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          104 months ago

          Would you don’t be if I said I ate breakfast today? When people claim something happened that happens all the time, it’s common to believe them, yes. That’s common sense, not a fallacy.

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              Anything that Israel claims is being dismissed as false,

              Maybe if they would claim some things that don’t sound exactly like the lies they always tell, and which are routinely proven false, I’d take them more seriously.

              anything that hamas is saying is being taking at face value

              Maybe if they weren’t making the kind of claims that usually turn out to be true, I’d treat them with more skepticism.

              I can’t fathom how this is difficult for you to understand. If Israel has less credibility than Hamas, they have only themselves to blame for being such bald-faced liars. Hamas is terrible but they haven’t pissed away all the credibility they have left since Oct 7 the was Israel’s government has.

            • @[email protected]
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              114 months ago

              When you’re bombing schools and hospitals all the time and hand-waving it away as “human shields”, I get to call bullshit. You are shitting on my mouth and calling it a sundae.

              Why did they destroy all of the water treatment facilities? Were those human shields, too?

      • @[email protected]
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        24 months ago

        All of the headlines shown come from the same site so that argument doesn’t really hold water