• @[email protected]
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      393 months ago

      In civilized countries “self defense” means you might have to punch someone. “You should have an easy way to kill someone on you at all times, and keep it hidden so they don’t know” is not self defense, but clear signs of a dystopia.

      • @[email protected]
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        83 months ago

        Especially when it causes law enforcement to become so paranoid of the citizens they’re ostensibly meant to protect, that a mere hailstone landing on the car roof immediately causes them to believe they’re being fired upon.

        That just sounds like a terrible time for everyone involved.

        At that point, you’re basically turning the constabulary into soldiers.

        • @[email protected]
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          33 months ago

          If citizens have a “Constitutional Right” to have a gun, why does exercising the right so often result in law enforcement killing them without a trial?

      • capital
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        53 months ago

        In civilized countries “self defense” means you might have to punch someone.

        My back is fucked and have an 80% rating from the VA. I’m not getting into fist fights anymore.

        If someone gets blown away stealing shit, the world has become a better place, frankly.

        • @[email protected]
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          213 months ago

          “Property is more valuable than human lives.”
          A statement from a person in a developed country apparently…

          • capital
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            53 months ago

            “The strong should be allowed to do whatever they want to the weak” A statement from a person in a developed country apparently…

              • capital
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                43 months ago

                And without one, the stronger will always prevail over the weak. I can’t believe I need to spell this out.

                • Flying Squid
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                  73 months ago

                  Who is “the stronger” in a situation where you have a gun and someone else does not?

                  • capital
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                    43 months ago

                    Me.

                    And my wife, and daughter. People that, without the use of arms, will always be the weaker given it’s usually men who commit these crimes.

                    You’re missing the point - this tool takes physical strength out of the equation for self defense purposes and you’re acting like it’s a bad thing.

            • @[email protected]
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              63 months ago

              You’re talking about things like it’s obvious they are just important as lives. Fucking disgusting

              • capital
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                You’re expecting me to value people who steal shit.

                And before this goes in a disingenuous direction, no, I don’t mean stealing bread from a damn grocery store.

              • capital
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                33 months ago

                Uh, no. There are quite a lot of laws governing when deadly force is allowed which vary by country and state. I’m quite sure none of them allow it when someone “bothers you”.

                • @[email protected]
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                  43 months ago

                  There’s also laws governing what constitutes theft. Your entire argument about needing a gun is dependent on people not following the law.

                  • capital
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                    23 months ago

                    Yeah the people stealing shit are… different people and not me?

                    What is your point?

            • @[email protected]
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              43 months ago

              Well he has a VA rating. Turning human bodies into rotting meat piles is his way of life.

              • capital
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                33 months ago

                There are a lot of disingenuous replies in this comment section but I’ll just go on explaining as if you actually don’t understand.

                The rating comment was meant to demonstrate that I am not at my peak physical condition and am more vulnerable than my outward appearance portrays.

                • @[email protected]
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                  23 months ago

                  What I mean is you participated in the military, therefore more likely to have skewed values in favour of “extended” srlf defense. Because the whole military justifies its endless butchery on rights of self defense and their ceaseless expansion.

              • capital
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                33 months ago

                I truly hope the police reach you in time, every time.

                • @[email protected]
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                  23 months ago

                  People should be confined to boxes full of packing foam. This reduces the variable and permits police to control the situation more easily.

          • capital
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            Fascism is when you don’t let people steal your stuff.

            The word has been devalued on Lemmy but this is a new low.

      • @[email protected]
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        33 months ago

        No, being limited in self defense to the power of your body is a pre-civilized state. Asking women to punch people to defend themselves is nature rules. That’s where whoever’s biggest gets to take advantage of people.

        • @[email protected]
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          13 months ago

          I have no problems with people carrying mace for self defense. There are highly effective less lethal options.